kraftdinner
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posted on February 12, 2008 06:31:01 PM
You'd think sellers would catch on by now but even the star rating and the upcoming feedback changes don't seems to make a difference on what sellers are overcharging for postage. I'm so glad these new changes are coming up. I think it will cull the bad sellers and make eBay a better place for buyers in the long run. I'm sick of greed.
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rhpepsi
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posted on February 12, 2008 06:43:26 PM
.....I am from Italy...can I BUY your item for 1/2 price and have FREE shipping to my country..................?
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pixiamom
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posted on February 12, 2008 06:45:22 PM
Kraft, is it the total price of the product plus s/h that bothers you or just the s/h portion? Many of my competitors charge twice as much as I do for s/h and yet their total price with shipping is less than mine. I'm sure they do this to save on FVFs, which I don't begrudge them, eBay gets more than enough money out of us. I probably would follow their model except that my market is very sensitive to shipping charges and will pay more for an item with lower s/h fees.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on February 12, 2008 06:52:02 PM
I'm sick of greed
Me, too. I'm tired of people who want something for next to nothing while mouthing off about how they're being cheated.
fLufF
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Who are those batty old women and why are they wearing silly hats?.
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rhpepsi
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posted on February 12, 2008 07:01:31 PM
Fluff...THAT was what I was trying to say...just couldn't come up with the right words...had to use those of a recent "buyer"
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tomwiii
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posted on February 12, 2008 07:11:38 PM
Yo! CheeseyMac!
Why am I expected to purchase QUALITY bubble mailers, but give them away for FREE?
DOES LANDS END DO THAT?
Why am I expected to purchase QUALITY rigid postcard holders, but give them away for FREE?
DOES PETS.COM DO THAT?
Why am I expected to purchase QUALITY shipping labels & QUALITY shipping software for FREE?
DOES NASCAR.COM DO THAT?
Why am I expected to QUICKLY transport the items to the 5 MILES AWAY mailbox for FREE?
DOES LL BEAN DO THAT?
Why am I expected to pay NO salary to my employees (Ralphie & his Mr SQUEAKY)?
DOES NAUGHTY BIDS.COM DO THAT?
PLUS feeBay fees
PLUS PayPal fees
Yeah, we really SHOULD change, & FROM NOW ON, lets all PAY OUR BIDDERS for the HONOR of JUST SENDING THE GD ITEM to them...FOR FREE!
 
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[ edited by tomwiii on Feb 12, 2008 07:12 PM ]
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Libra63
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posted on February 12, 2008 07:23:28 PM
No let us chomp off our own stars.
I stated previously I do not charge excessive shipping. I ship as close to actual as I can and it doesn't help. I ship either same day or the next. That doesn't help. My communication is within minutes at the end of an auction. That doesn't help and I communicate personally. I do not use any automatically generated invoices. Can you tell me what MY problem is? I can't figure it out.
Tell me why my listing fee went down 5cents and my FVF went to 10.5 %
I guess being honest is not one of eBays assets.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 12, 2008 08:13:19 PM
Nobody (that I know of) minds if a seller charges you what it costs to ship their item (that includes boxes, tape, etc.), but it's the sellers who want the buyer to compensate them for their losses by charging crazy amounts for shipping that makes eBay shopping a drag. Buyers feel like they're being punished for buying.
Pixi - it's the way some sellers operate with shipping charges being a big mystery they never want to disclose. If a seller says shipping is $5.00 and handling is $3.00, then I know what I'm being charged for. If a seller says shipping is $15.00 but it's only $5.00 when the package arrives, I'd want other buyers to know the seller overcharges for shipping. If I left feedback saying so, I'd be neg'd.
Tom, if you're not making a decent profit from you sales minus shipping, you're in the wrong business.
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neglus
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posted on February 12, 2008 08:21:08 PM
Libra - how did your FVF go to 10.5%?
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http://stores.ebay.com/Moody-Mommys-Marvelous-Postcards?refid=store
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TheFamilyBiz
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posted on February 12, 2008 08:24:40 PM
Yeah - where did you get your discounted FVF? I think mine goes to 12% from the store... right?
Wayne
Never explain -- Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe you anyway.
~ Elbert Hubbard
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pixiamom
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posted on February 12, 2008 10:22:27 PM
I've only reported a few shippers for gouging on shipping - in each case it was a consignment shop charging $7+ to ship a 99 cent postcard. Not only were they avoiding FVFs, they were gouging their consignees, paying them only a portion of the 99 cents for sold items.
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Libra63
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posted on February 12, 2008 10:40:40 PM
Neglus it went to 8.5% FVF. and I think the listing fee went back to 40cents. It doesn't matter I lose no matter what unless I can find a better item to sell and I never will, so I am going to give up.
Why are perks given to power sellers? I don't understand that. I don't want my fees raised so that they can give powers sellers specials. JMHO
eBay is greedy. They want their ECO to make millions. In a time where someone just wants to make a little to enjoy some of the finer things in life like Hospitalization. 
I Can't do it here. Time is short.
Remember when eBay was fun. Before the big companies. When I could sell a Pez for the collectible rate. Not anymore. Wasn't that the reason eBay started? I put a fixed rate price on a pez and before I could sign out of my listing it appeared sold in my email box. Not anymore. Now that was fun.
Now don't tell me to go out and get a job because after working 50 years in Health Care my body is worn out, and I mean worn out. lol
Sorry just venting....
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ggardenour
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posted on February 12, 2008 11:05:04 PM
It is called shipping & HANDLING for a reason. Shipping is in my book the actual postage. The HANDLING portion is my cost for the supplies PLUS a buck to help cover FVF.
Heck I am sure that some here would think that I am gouging bumping my S&H a buck. That FVF has got to come from somewhere.
I agree that blatant outrages S&H are just a way to dodge FVF. Those are the sellers eBay is after with the goofy star ratings. I also understand the sellers mentality that they are trying to save money were ever they can.
No one sticks a gun to peoples head to buy anything on eBay so when they see the high shipping cost and still buy the item what is the problem? There is none!
Bottom line eBay is just yanked because they aren't getting their piece of the pie OINK!!OINK!!
ggardenour
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MAH645
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posted on February 12, 2008 11:40:53 PM
This topic has been beat to death. Why does somebody think you are high on shipping when you start items at 99 cents and charge 4.50 to 6.50 shipping. You still have to buy the bubble mailers,peanuts tape or whatever. Not all of us spend our nights playing Bozo the dumpster diving clown.
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amber
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posted on February 13, 2008 04:56:51 AM
My DSL stars for shipping keeps going down. I charge actual cost plus 50 cents, but especially since the US dollar dropped, it looks as if I am charging more than it says on the package, but buyers don't realize that I am getting less in exchange, plus 3 cents less on the dollar from Paypal. I lost about $12 on postage last week. One International package was 2 grams over, about the weight of a postage stamp, and cos=st $6 more than I charged. My husband didn't realize, I would have brought it home and cut it down.
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tonimar1
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posted on February 13, 2008 05:43:13 AM
I don't know what ebay expects a seller to do it's at a point where doing what you feel is right that's all that matters.
I buy from lots of web sites and you have to see how out of control there handling fees are and even there shipping fees. I know that they get a BIG discount on there shipping but very few of them pass it along to the consumer.
All I know is that I have to cover shipping cost and add something for material/fees/handling, and I feel I'm still fair but how someone else sees it, now that's another story.
Personally I do as I feel is right for me and if ebay has a problem with that then let them tell me. As for buyers, no matter what you do some will never be satisfied.
toni
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ebabestreasures
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posted on February 13, 2008 06:24:07 AM
What ebay fails to understand is that greedy sellers aren't going to change. It will be business as usual. When the DSR and FB gets too bad - they will just change their ID again.
I know someone who is a horrible seller - she is on her 5th ID in 8 years.
I've done my best to be honest and fair for those same 8 years. Now ebay is going to take my 100%FB 8 year record away from me.
WAY TO GO EBAY - punish the sellers who have had a good business record all these years (which is what you say you want) and reward the type of seller you say is the problem.
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on February 13, 2008 07:09:28 AM
I'm so tired of hearing buyers complain that "it's not right to charge $12 to ship a $50 item." I reply that, as soon as UPS and/or USPS start charging me shipping on the basis of value rather than weight & dimensions, I will be sure to pass the change on to my customers.
Have these people ever been to a post office?
What do they think UPS charges to ship a 40 pound amplifier to California?
My advice is to charge what's right, and f the stars.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 13, 2008 02:06:07 PM
So, what portion of your expenses comes out of the item you sold?
Pixi, it's that small handful of jerks that make the rest of the good sellers look bad isn't it? Most are wonderful.
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tonimar1
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posted on February 13, 2008 03:07:17 PM
What I do for example, my shipping for a jewelry item is 5.00 thats if it's listed for under 50.00 if the item sells for under 50.00 I ship it first class w/tracking for 1.82 and the balance covers lots of other things like ebay fees/paypal fees, program fees, supplies.
The profit that I make on the jewelry item is just that All profit plus my investment comes back to me. I never take expenses from profits. Profits to me are money made....lol
If I list a jewelry item for over 50.00 then shipping is 7.50 that covers priority shipping and insurance and whats left goes to expenses. Expenses never come out of my profit, unless I make a mistake with the cost of shipping.
Also I return shipping money all the time if I had estimated the cost more then it really is because sometimes it's hard to figure out when the item is not packed yet, so I have to figure the cost on the longest distance from my zone just to be on the safe side but I mention that in my auction so the buyer knows he might be getting back some money. That's what I do when I sell large heavy items but there is alway something added to the shipping for my fees and materials.
When I had my shop naturally part of the profit went for bills, but here on the Internet it works out different.
Was this what you wanted to know kraftdinner
toni
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merrie
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posted on February 13, 2008 04:42:22 PM
Why is this soooo hard to understand??? If a seller tells you up front how much shipping is, then what is the problem? Bid or don't; buy or don't if you think they are gouging you.
Do you attempt to haggle with other on-line sellers or catalog sellers? Do you haggle with the postage charged when you go to one of those in house parties (my daughter has been having a lot of those lately, I could kill her). I don't think so, if you don't like the freight, take your business elsewhere.
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Libra63
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posted on February 13, 2008 05:00:40 PM
So, what portion of your expenses comes out of the item you sold? None
I only make it on my S/H which is as low as I can put it and not lose. I ship jewelry for $1.82 The rest is for listing and bubble envelope. Which comes to $2.50. Exactly what I charge. I think until I leave I am upping my S/H to $3.50.
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MAH645
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posted on February 13, 2008 09:12:35 PM
I don't thing you will have any problems with charging $3.50.
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ST0NEC0LD613
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posted on February 14, 2008 01:39:35 PM
Sellers and Postage
I hate it when people complain about shipping a seller. In most cases, it costs well over $300.00 to print out tickets, put the proper postage on them and stick them on a plane. Not to mention all of the snacks and beverages they will need for the trip. Then there is the cost to have the limo pick them up and deliver them to their destination. And customers complain when they get charged actual shipping costs. Maybe next time we will have to ship them via Amtrak and make then pick up the sellers at the train station. Bet they won't like that either.
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merrie
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posted on February 14, 2008 01:49:28 PM
Stone: Love it!!
I also love buyers that want to pick up an item, which I will do, but want me to drive 40-50 miles to meet them in the middle. Hello, gas costs almost $3.00 per gallon, not to mention my time!!
I'm sure Amazon would do that!!
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bregmanl
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posted on February 14, 2008 02:32:50 PM
I do not agree with what you have posted.
There are resonable sellers that charge fair handle charges and are not greedy. The Star System SUCKS. There are IDIOT buyers that are never happy with the handling charges. You can not NEGOTIATE any charges with a Retail store and there charges are high!!!
You pay the charges and thats it, if you want the item, NO STAR SYSTEM, NO FEEEDBACK. That's why Ebay is going down the TUBES and heading right in the TOILET.
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merrie
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posted on February 14, 2008 04:15:23 PM
OK, have had a few Cosmos, so am going to be blunt:
"I do not agree with what you have posted.
There are resonable sellers that charge fair handle charges and are not greedy. The Star System SUCKS. There are IDIOT buyers that are never happy with the handling charges. You can not NEGOTIATE any charges with a Retail store and there charges are high!!!
You pay the charges and thats it, if you want the item, NO STAR SYSTEM, NO FEEEDBACK. That's why Ebay is going down the TUBES and heading right in the TOILET."
Use spellchecker: reasonable, "there charges are high" their, not there; "You pay the charges and thats it" that's, means that is.
Sorry, this has been bugging me too long.
Who don't you agree with??
I do agree that "kraftdinner" needed to be more specific as to grievances and what constitutes overcharging. Is it wrong to add a few dollars to cover bubblewrap, boxes, tissue paper, labor and the cost of Paypal??
Maybe he/she (kraftdinner) would like it if we just threw the items into a recycled box and hoped for the best.
People expect something for nothing. I don't think we are going to change that.
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birgittaw
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posted on February 15, 2008 07:21:53 AM
Well, I just got something for nothing! A coupon from eBay for $5 off shipping -- for one of my buying IDs. May be used up to five times, single transactions, PayPal paid items. Interesting stimulus that even the crankiest of sellers should appreciate.
About shipping and handling in general: I don't use mine as a profit center, and I don't expect to recoup listing and PayPal fees from it. It's still a matter of total price, and I do better overall by keeping shipping confined to shipping costs and letting the price of the item carry my expenses. But that's just how I've always done it -- and I don't remember ever paying more than actual shipping for many years after eBay started. Did you guys who go back a ways charge handling in the beginning?
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on February 15, 2008 08:16:41 AM
even the crankiest of sellers
Hey, who ya calling' cranky?
All I can say is that if you ship me by Amtrak, don't feed me any of that horrid Bob Evans breakfast scramble. It looks like barf.
fLufF
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Who are those batty old women and why are they wearing silly hats?.
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 15, 2008 02:38:15 PM
I think some of you misunderstood me. There are sellers who are very reasonable with their shipping and handling charges. I would say 85% of the sellers I've run into. It's the 15% that w-a-a-y overcharge and make eBay buying a drag. That's who eBay's targeting, not any of you with your added $3.00 handling charge (or whatever). It's people who charge $15.00 to ship an item that cost them $3.00 to ship. It's gouging and it makes ALL sellers look bad. In my opinion, those kind of sellers won't stay around long. What will be left are the good sellers who are fair and honest and fun to buy from. That's why I think it'll be a good thing in the long run.
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