godzillatemple
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posted on September 25, 2001 09:11:40 AM new
Taliban leader: U.S. demands 'unacceptable'
In a statement to the the Qatar-based television network Al Jazeera, Omar said killing either bin Laden or himself would not deter further attacks on Americans. He warned the United States it would avoid conflict only if it withdraws its military from the Persian Gulf, stays out of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and leaves Islam and Muslims alone.
"If they choose otherwise, they are looking for an endless war that will burn America and America only," Omar said. "When America doesn't choose a peaceful way out of this and chooses war and confrontation, she only is responsible for the consequences."
Looks like this is gonna get REALLY messy...
Barry
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CoolTom-07
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posted on September 25, 2001 09:31:59 AM new
In other news octagenerian midget actor and part time hoopster Billy Barty disses Shaquille O'Neal with the retort, "Don't be bringing your weak stuff into MY house."
Same effect.
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zilvy
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posted on September 25, 2001 09:39:59 AM new
Talkin Trash,YO MOMMA but just a little scarier than on the court!
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mark090
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posted on September 25, 2001 09:59:23 AM new
I see...
Now it comes clear. They want us out of there so they can wipe out Israel. However, the only way to stop this trouble is to eliminate the trouble-makers, otherwise they will find some other way to cause trouble.
How many see Armegeddon down the road here...
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Linda_K
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posted on September 25, 2001 10:15:49 AM new
WHEN WHAT??? "When America doesn't choose a peaceful way out of this and chooses war and confrontation, she only is responsible for the consequences."
Excuse me? Who started the aggression this time? Were the terrorist attacks on our country a 'peaceful' way to solve disagreements? Just amazes me how they think.
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krazykeri
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posted on September 25, 2001 10:22:35 AM new
Um- Billy Barty died last year....
[ edited by krazykeri on Sep 25, 2001 10:23 AM ]
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zilvy
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posted on September 25, 2001 10:34:22 AM new
Krazy see what happens when you talk trash to the Big Guy? 
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CoolTom-07
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posted on September 25, 2001 11:03:30 AM new
My bad Krazy. Thanks for the info.
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shoshanah
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posted on September 25, 2001 11:14:51 AM new
Interesting that the administration just now changed this new Mission's name from Infinite Justice to Enduring Freedom
(NPR news) a few minutes ago.
Gosh Shosh
Pottery Restoration
[ edited by shoshanah on Sep 25, 2001 11:18 AM ]
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Meya
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posted on September 25, 2001 11:17:24 AM new
They actually announced sometime last week that they wouldn't be using the Infinite Justice name. They must have just come up with the new name.
spelling
[ edited by Meya on Sep 25, 2001 11:17 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on September 25, 2001 11:36:25 AM new
In all these religeous and racial conflicts there is always disagreement who did the last round of the fued and who starteded it. Often the origins are so buried in the past nobody could say with any certainty there have been so many rounds of tit and tat.
Up until now the US has always been involved in conflicts with a known starting time and a historic finish.
Welcome to the word of blood fued where it is never over as long as some relatives of the offended parties remain alive somewhere in the world even if they don't have a country anymore.
Not a nice thing to get into. They were right when they said it is a different sort of conflict.
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racemail
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posted on September 25, 2001 11:57:52 AM new
Have you not taken note that the Good decent
people are leaving Afghanistan to the Evil regime and their many bands of worthless
camel dung?
And then.... I suggest the "Green Glass" treatment. For those that don't know about
"Green Glass", oh well, you are probably bleeding heart liberals anyway.
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gravid
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posted on September 25, 2001 12:46:24 PM new
Those who CAN get out - I heard the Taliban had people on the border with clubs to beat back the people trying to cross.
What did they call that glass - Trinitite ?
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godzillatemple
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posted on September 25, 2001 12:49:11 PM new
trin·i·tite n. An olive green, glasslike substance formed from the sand melted by the heat that was generated by the first nuclear blast at the New Mexico test site in 1945.
Barry
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[ edited by godzillatemple on Sep 25, 2001 12:49 PM ]
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uaru
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posted on September 25, 2001 01:02:36 PM new
I don't have many problems with what name the US calls their operation.
Some names I wouldn't object to:
Operation Green Glass
Operation Infinite Justice
Operation Eduring Freedom
Operation Buzzard Bait
Operation Smoking Ruins
Operation Kick Ass Take Names
Operation NYFD Relief
Some names I would object to:
Operation Forgive And Forget
Operation Token Action
I had sympathies for the Palestinians when they were fighting the Israelis with rocks. I now understand the Israelis hardline position much better. The terrorist did some excellet work on behalf of the Israel's cause as far as I'm concerned.
[ edited by uaru on Sep 25, 2001 01:04 PM ]
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Microbes
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posted on September 25, 2001 04:27:10 PM new
Now Powell is saying "If the increasingly isolated Taliban regime in Afghanistan hands over Osama bin Laden and rips up the al-Qaida terrorism network, it will be spared and may even receive Western assistance"
(bolding mine)
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010925/ts/powell_interview_2.html
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plsmith
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posted on September 25, 2001 04:35:13 PM new
"Up until now the US has always been involved in conflicts with a known starting time and a historic finish.
Welcome to the word of blood fued where it is never over as long as some relatives of the offended parties remain alive somewhere in the world even if they don't have a country anymore."
What, Gravid, you never heard of the Hatfields and the McCoys?
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gravid
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posted on September 25, 2001 04:40:14 PM new
Actually somewhere in this pile of books beside my desk to sell on eBay is a book about all the Kentucky fueds gathered mostly from newspaper articles about them. I think there were over ten of them that lasted well into the 20th century.
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joycel
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posted on September 25, 2001 04:43:16 PM new
Ok--this is going to sound terrible but--shouldn't we just nuke 'em and get it over with? From what I hear, our plan is to target their terrorist camps...military bases...etc. (In other words--a little here, a little there.) In the meantime, they'll be running a few more planes into our skyscrapers--putting cyanide (sp?) into the air conditioner vents and dumping killer chemicles on us via crop dusters. Maybe we need to follow the example of Heroshima? Yes, many innocent people were killed, but it quickly ended the war.
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sasoony
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:01:56 PM new
>>>Ok--this is going to sound terrible but--shouldn't we just nuke 'em and get it over with?<<<
No that would be barbaric. Better to just take out Bin Laden and throw camel poop on the Taliban.
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plsmith
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:03:17 PM new
Would someone please moderate Joycel? She's scaring me...
Interesting choice of typos there, btw: "Heroshima"
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joice
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:13:24 PM new
joycel,
What you are suggesting is not appropriate for these boards as the comment about "nuking" could be found to be offensive by many.
This board is made of many nationaltities of people and we ask that you post with sensitivity.
Joice
[email protected]
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gravid
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:15:14 PM new
It is interesting - but at the end of a long bloody war in the Pacific and with much of Asia overrun and brutally subjugated not many thought of the population supporting the Japanese Empire as especially innocent.
I suppose there are some really innocent people in Afganistan but they do allow these creeps to rule don't they? There has to be some sense of community responsibility.
They sure held all the people in the WTC responsible for the US government didn't they? Is it fair to use their own standard against them?
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plsmith
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:21:31 PM new
JoiceAW, I was only kidding... I was scared before I got here -- really.
Gravid, the many facets to this entire scenario (and I'm not at all certain I know even *half* of the scenarios at work here) lead to conundrums, at best...
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spazmodeus
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:26:49 PM new
joice,
Why single out joycel? People in this forum have been posting "nuke 'em" since the day this happened, without reproach. Even in this thread, just a few posts ahead of joycel, someone is advocating the "Green Glass treatment." What do you think that's about?
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KatyD
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:32:13 PM new
With all due respect, joycel was not the first in this or other threads to bring up the possiblity of using nuclear weapons. Just a few posts above, posters were talking about the "green glass" method. Granted, perhaps not in such a crass way as saying "nuke em", but the idea is the same.
I don't think that the US will use any nuclear weapons, I don't think that's on the board. The object is to rout Bin Laden, and/or get rid of the Taliban who protects him and allows his terrorist training camp. I have some doubt whether this "Taliban" even has enough international savvy to even fully comprehend just how serious the situation really is. I get the impression that they are basically village peasants with Bin Laden et al. pulling the strings with money and his "pure Islam" nonsense providing them with illusions of grandeur. Gravid, the Taliban rules with an iron fist. I rather doubt the people there are joyously happy under their rule. Unfortunately, the penalty for resistance is severe, and most of them are just trying to do what all the people in the WTC were doing...trying to get along and live their lives. You must remember that these people are COMPLETELY cut off from the outside world. They are isolated from information that you and I take for granted. From the news reports, it sounds like most of them have headed for the hills, or Pakistan or wherever they can go to avoid what's coming and be safe. You really need to watch that tape your friend was going to record for you.
KatyD
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joycel
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:33:37 PM new
Thank you, Gravid--you said it better than I. My thoughts are that if we do not strike hard enough, it will be American innocent people who will continue to be subjected to terrorist strikes. Already we have lost 5,000+ people who had no idea they were being targeted, or even what for. Even if we can get rid of Bin Laden, what about his followers and the country that supports him?
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Microbes
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posted on September 25, 2001 05:37:09 PM new
I suppose there are some really innocent people in Afganistan but they do allow these creeps to rule don't they? There has to be some sense of community responsibility.
I wish there was a good way to communicate with the Afgan people. I'm not sure the average Afgan even knows what's going on. The Taliban killed internet access to that country 15 days before the WTC attact, and they don't allow Televisions. If the population really understood, they might do like the people on the Pennslivania flight, and be real heroes.
In "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" Heinlein said "Communications to enemy were essential to any war if was to be fought and settled sensibly".
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gravid
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posted on September 25, 2001 06:47:42 PM new
Well if they are truely headed for the hills and trying to get across the borders they must know something is coming down. Maybe not the full true story but enough to know to get out of Dodge.
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jamesoblivion
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posted on September 25, 2001 06:54:47 PM new
I don't think we can blame Afghanis for being ruled by the Taliban. Theyhardly 'allow' them to rule there. It's one thing to theorize that "they should overthrow them" but quite another thing when you consider that a group of 50,000 armed men with probably an equivalent number of supporters can very easily terrorize a nation of more than 10,000,000 who have known nothing but war in the past 20 years. I bet half or more of all Afghanis are under 25 years old. Imagine a similar scenario in the United States correctly scaled for size. It's one thing to say "overthrow 'em" and another thing to do it. In Afghanistan you will land in jail if your beard is trimmed too much. What do you expect happens to you if you maybe think about revolution?
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