rawbunzel
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posted on July 3, 2002 12:45:03 PM
Tompaine.com is having a day of dissent on the fourth. 
http://www.tompaine.com/
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antiquary
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posted on July 3, 2002 01:13:22 PM
Hey Robin!
I was just remarking in another thread that it seems ironic that we never refer to the day as Independence Day. If there was ever a time in our history when I believe that it's critical for citizens to take a few moments to give some thought beyond cliche to the meaning of freedom on this day, it is now, when the beliefs of our Founding Fathers face their greatest internal challenge. But then again, perhaps I'm just being old-fashioned.
We've had an unforecast seige of cooler, rainy weather the last four days, so I need to go finish trimming the hedges now that we have a brief break before the next system from the Gulf moves up this evening. I'm dreading how much more trimming for blight that I'm going to have to do on my already "topiary" heirloom tomato plants. They're old-fashioned also, and though I'm enjoying the weather, maybe it's really a bad omen. Hope not.
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Borillar
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posted on July 3, 2002 04:14:46 PM
Antiquary, nothing is ever appreciated until it's gone - person, place, or thing.
We stupidly complacent Americans -must- have their rights taken away from them and live in a police state for a generation or so until they finally wake up and start to think about something besides where their next status symbol is going to come from. That getting involved in politics is B-O-R-I-N-G, they sing aloud, it'll be funny after all when politics comes knocking on their door in the middle of the night to wisk them all away, never to be seen again! Funny that that is just how it'll have to play itself out.
As for me, I intend on dropping in a movie into the player called Rollerball and think about everyone here . . .
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snowyegret
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posted on July 3, 2002 04:26:58 PM
LOL at State of War--at least through04
But I'm a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAd Sheep.
I like that idea.
Happy Dissent Day to all!!!!!
Oh, Antiquary, wait until you see the Radiator Charlies! Best looking of all the tomatoes so far. Boxcar Willies look pretty good, and the Black Krims are about a week and a half away from eating.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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antiquary
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posted on July 3, 2002 07:48:47 PM
From the homepage of the Thomas Paine site:
When the government seeks to expand its power to spy on us, it should be required to show how the loss of anonymity and freedom will make us safer.
Imagine that.
Hey Snowy!
I've wondered how your tomatoes were doing. Both my Brandywines and Mortgage Lifters are beautiful plants, even with the bottom third or so trimmed away. Two types of tomato blight were a new experience for me and I didn't identify it in time, plus the weather this year has been almost ideal for fungal diseases. I guess that's the price that you pay for heirlooms. But with the trimming and fungicides, they're still doing okay, beautiful top growth full of blooms and just recently several babies. I planted quite a few Jetstars and Arkansas Travellers as backups and they're loaded with fruit, several just ready to turn. Can't wait for the first ripe one. Pure heaven.
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snowyegret
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posted on July 3, 2002 08:08:52 PM
Antiquary, the stock answer to that one is If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.
Wrong houses stormed in the drug war
Identity theft
People with the same names
Lab errors in drug testing
If we haven't done anything wrong, why intrude on our lives in such drastic fashion?
And with tomatoes, I even have 3 Arkansas Traveller volunteers from last year.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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antiquary
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posted on July 3, 2002 09:23:54 PM
Well, I guess the numerous possibilities for error could all be chalked up to collateral damage. A little more troubling is the temptation to emulate the Hoover and McCarthy successes. But if we are to continue to follow a somewhat modified Orwellian script, at least there's minor consolation in the hope that the overly zealous believers presented a greater danger than the dissenters to a police state and are the ones taken first, as was Parsons in 1984.
The volunteers is very interesting. I had four which were in a bed with mixed Travellers and Jetstars, first time that I've ever had that happen with tomatoes. I pulled them since the bed was planted with canteloupe and I already had 28 other tomato plants but I was very curious how they would do. Did you keep yours? If so, let me know how they turn out.
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rawbunzel
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posted on July 3, 2002 09:43:59 PM
Hiya Antiquary!
Still no tomatoes here. Lots of flowers but no tomatoes. Very discouraging. 
I was married on July fourth so it is just the fourth to me anymore. No independence to it.  I did like it better when it was called Independence Day instead of the Fourth of July. Had more oomph.
Snowy, I'd be jealous of your tomatoes but I know the heat and humidity you have to put up with to get them .
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antiquary
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posted on July 3, 2002 10:27:11 PM
Happy Anniversary, Robin.
I'm not buying your "no independence" protestations though. The evidence argues differently.
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rawbunzel
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posted on July 3, 2002 11:00:20 PM
Thank you Antiquary! We have a dull day planned. Staying home and protecting our interests from the nutty neighbors and their fireworks. It supposed to rain so maybe we won't have to keep the hose handy this year.
You're right. I'm pretty darned independent.
edited .spelling.
[ edited by rawbunzel on Jul 3, 2002 11:01 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on July 4, 2002 07:27:15 AM
rawbunzel
Thanks for the good link!!!
Happy Anniversary too!
Fireworks are illegal in our county so my roof will not burn tonight.
Keep your hose ready.
Helen
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antiquary
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posted on July 4, 2002 12:28:51 PM
We have an ordinance that prohibits setting off fireworks within the city limits but its definitely being ignored this year. The third staccato day in a row, with bangs and booms in every direction. Doesn't bother me much though, nostalgic. Of course we had the cherry bombs and TNT bombs and so on then that could be put to many creative uses. It's a miracle that I never lost a finger or two. But I have to admit that I was relieved that they were illegal here when my son was old enough for fireworks. He shot off most of his around the cove at the lake or from the deck of the boathouse for the aerial stuff after dark. As far as we knew anyway.
How are your tomatoes doing, Helen? I remember that you went a ways to get the plants.
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auroranorth
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posted on July 4, 2002 04:28:51 PM
NO, Snowey is right. They are way out of line in many of the powers they are asking for and cant seem to failry use those they already have.
Kind of Like a lousy salesman you get the excuses I need color catalogs more samples
a good sales man can sell frigs in alaska
theo only thing these clowns are is good salesmen. thye sure havent got a clue of how to run this place.
If we had not let them murder Kennedy.
We would most likely have a colony on the moon by Now. Instead of all these lies and broken promises. and Government By Publicity stunt.
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antiquary
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posted on July 4, 2002 04:44:07 PM
Auroranorth,
I almost always agree with snowy--maybe not always--but pretty close. I was being satirical above and probably didn't make my meaning as clear as I should have. I also pretty much agree with your analysis.
Helen, are you ignoring my tomato question? Did you kill off the little suckers or what? 
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Helenjw
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posted on July 4, 2002 05:20:17 PM
LOL, Antiquary!
They still live! Actually, my tomatoes are growing very fast and it looks like I will have enough to feed all the neighbors again. Maybe I should forget the neighbors and make good spaghetti sauce.
I don't have fancy heirloom tomatoes though. I think that we drove 100 miles to buy a very common variety called Better Boy or Big Boy and also some grape varieties.
There is nothing better than a vine ripe tomato. Good luck with yours!!!
Helen
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antiquary
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posted on July 4, 2002 06:58:43 PM
I'm glad to hear that you're still in the cult, Helen. Those two varieties are both good. Unless the heirloom are definitely better, I'll stick with the disease resistant cultivars probably. Had to try the Radiator Charlie's Mortgage Lifter Tomatoes.
Yeah, I enjoy giving them to people, especially the elderly, as much as anything else. But our little group is pretty wimpy I've discovered. Some of those groups on the garden sites are horticultural hotbeds.
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Helenjw
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posted on July 4, 2002 07:29:39 PM
Radiator Charlie's Mortgage Lifter Tomatoes?... I've got to try those next year! They must be very special and unique to live up to that name! LOL!
It would be interesting to do a taste test of several varieties!
I'll be giving mine away also...easier than cooking marinara sauce.
Helen
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nycyn
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posted on July 4, 2002 07:30:18 PM
We accept, welcome even, homegrown tomatoes!
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Helenjw
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posted on July 4, 2002 07:34:51 PM
Hey Cyn!
I'll send you a bushel! LOL!!!
Helen
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rawbunzel
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posted on July 4, 2002 09:26:57 PM
It is against the law to use fireworks here too but that never stops them. I wouldn't care if they were careful...but they light them off in the street right next to...and they go under...the cars.They land on my roof and they land in my hedge. Luckily it rained today so it is nice and moist out there. I think they won't do much damage tonight!
It is only just beginning here. Dark is just settling in. The dogs are on tranquilizers and the cats are in.
Happy Dissenters Day!
Had a nice anniversary. Thanks for the happy anniversary wishes.
Send tomatoes
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Borillar
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posted on July 4, 2002 11:22:13 PM
"While some people think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. In fact, if patriotism means being true to the principles for which your country is supposed to stand, then certainly the right to dissent is one of those principles. And if we're exercising that right to dissent, it's a patriotic act."
"One of the great mistakes made in discussing patriotism - a very common mistake -- is to think that patriotism means support for your government. And that view of patriotism ignores the founding principles of the country expressed in the Declaration of Independence. That is: the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that governments are artificial creations set up to achieve certain ends -- equality, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness -- and when governments become destructive of those ends it is the right of the people in the words of the Declaration, to alter or abolish the government.
"In other words, obedience to government certainly is not a form of patriotism.
-- excerpt from the Thomas Pain web site --
UBB
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auroranorth
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posted on July 4, 2002 11:47:32 PM
Will someone post how many turkeys out there blew off their own appendages screwing around with pyrotechnics ?
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