posted on July 29, 2005 09:55:48 AM new
After listening to both sides and their arguments....I don't know which way I'd vote [had I the opportunity to do so].
I do believe there will be more jobs lost because of this....but maybe the long term benefit of trade will help those underdeveloped countries do better and we won't have more seeking to live here....since they'll be able to earn a decent living in their own countries.
So...I guess many felt conflicted on this as it just barely squeaked by with 2 votes.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 29, 2005 08:27:34 PM new
I think Pat Buchanon said it best,
"Today's trade agreements are about reshaping the world to conform to the demands of transnational corporations that have shed their national identities and loyalties and want to shed their U.S. workers. Tired of contributing to Medicare and Social Security and having to deal with Americans who need health-care and pension benefits, they want to dump them all and hire Asians who will work for $2 an hour.
Trade treaties have become enabling acts by which global companies desert their home countries. CAFTA will enable U.S. firms to shut down factories here, lay off their labor force, and hire Dominicans and Costa Ricans, but retain free access to the U.S. market. They get to fire their American workers – and keep their American consumers. What a deal."
posted on July 30, 2005 10:07:28 AM new
With this coming about there will never be a reason to increase wages for the typical american worker again. Other than small cost of living raises.
If labor becomes to expensive, hell thousands just waiting now to be employed and no EPA or OSHA to worry about.
So what exactly can these people buy from the US? We don't manufacture anything here anymore.
posted on July 30, 2005 11:40:06 AM new
Whenever the nation is under attack, from within, Bush and the republican controlled houses side with the RICH AND INDUSTRY . This is their essence.
We will all hear the great sucking sound of American jobs being lost AGAIN!!!!!
If you have had it with the republican controlled houses. Vote them out of office in 2006.
So maybe some dems might want to see if the 12 that voted WITH the republicans are up for re-election of their office in 2006 too.
AND in addition in the House the bill only passed by TWO votes.....so...had any of the 15 House democrats not voted for Cafta....then things would have turned out much differently.
BUT....they didn't....and all 15 of those democrats will be up for re-election in 2006 too.
Any democrat upset that these dems voted to support CAFTA.....can vote accordingly in 2006.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 30, 2005 01:21 PM ]
posted on July 31, 2005 04:18:45 AM new
Whenever the nation is under attack, from within, Bush and the republican controlled houses side with the RICH AND INDUSTRY . This is their essence.
43 Republican Senators voted for CAFTA
33 Democrat Senators voted against CAFTA
We will all hear the great sucking sound of American jobs being lost AGAIN!!!!!
If you have had it with the republican controlled houses. Vote them out of office in 2006.
posted on July 31, 2005 05:02:09 AM new
NAFTA was one of Clinton's biggest mistaked. CAFTA will be Bush's. I suppose, Linda, that you also believe that outsourcing is "good for America"? You know, Bush has made some mistakes. Why do you keep defending even his mistakes? Why do you find it impossible to say he's wrong on anything?
You have seven posters here who think it's a bad idea and that Bush is making a mistake and still you defend him. It's okay to say it's a bad idea, really it is.
posted on July 31, 2005 06:47:18 AM new
LOL cheryl.....why don't you complain to your TWO Senators who voted FOR CAFTA and any of your reps....rather than me....I'm really not interested in listening to more whining from you....
an old saying that is appropriate here....
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 31, 2005 06:49 AM ]
posted on July 31, 2005 06:54:45 AM new
Now who's NOT answering questions posed to her? Where did I complain, Linda? I made a statement. Whining? You really are delusional.
posted on July 31, 2005 06:56:49 AM new
Anyone else who might want to vote out their democratic representative in 2006 IF your're so upset that they voted FOR this small trade agreement.....here's a list for you to view.
posted on July 31, 2005 07:06:01 AM new
LOL cheryl can't see where you're whining and complaining about MY not doing something you think I should? LOL
You know, Bush has made some mistakes. Why do you keep defending even his mistakes?
I have not defended his 'mistakes'.....I SAID I don't know how I would have voted on this bill. It's YOU that's making that up....delusional ..
Why do you find it impossible to say he's wrong on anything?
I didn't even bring up his name....you did.
You have seven posters here who think it's a bad idea and that Bush is making a mistake and still you defend him.
again....delusional....I didn't defend anything about Bush.
It's okay to say it's a bad idea, really it is.
I will, and HAVE, when I feel very strongly about an issue.
Cheryl - I don't know what in the h3ll your problem is....but try not to make things up about what I say and don't say, all the time. Your perception of what IS and what ISN'T said...is WAY off....distorted.....as usual.
Get a grip woman....you're losing it.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 31, 2005 07:13 AM ]
posted on July 31, 2005 07:09:30 AM newcheryl can't see where you're whining and complaining about MY not doing something you think I should?
And YOU don't? You whine and complain all the time when someone doesn't answer a question you pose to them. Maybe you should go back and re-read all your smart azz comments. You only get back what you give. Over and over and over and. . .
Most of the other posters here see that. You can't?
posted on July 31, 2005 07:22:07 AM new
Most posters?????
would they all be lefties by any chance?
and then....ask me if I care, cheryl.
You're just another angry socialist/progressive who can't handle the loss of the 2004 election...and loss of power. TOO BAD....
Blame everything you want on this President....complain, whine, gripe and moan.... from the moment you wake up in the morning until you fall to sleep.....he's going to be our President for 3+ years.
And whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.....all those DEMOCRATS who voted FOR this bill....are the one's who quarantee it's passage. That's a fact.
Had THEY stuck to their party line....this would have failed in both the House and the Senate.
So...as I recommended before....email them....#*!@ to them....whine and complain to them. I didn't vote on it.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 31, 2005 07:39:22 AM new
July 28, 2005
Close CAFTA Vote Shows Shift in Trade Politics
Statement of Lori Wallach on CAFTA Final Vote in the House of Representatives
The CAFTA vote became a highly politicized referendum on whether President Bush would be made a lame duck, but the CAFTA debate makes clear that a dramatic shift in U.S. trade politics has occurred, and the NAFTA trade model is dead.
After losing the debate on the merits months ago, passing CAFTA required last-minute procedural stunts even after weeks of the president’s personal attention, a rare presidential visit to Congress, months of GOP leadership threats and goodies, and an army of corporate lobbyists to push the economically modest CAFTA NAFTA expansion through by a narrow margin after trying for a year.
That CAFTA NAFTA expansion, a trade deal of small economic significance, barely passed the House of Representatives shows that any economically significant attempts to expand the NAFTA model, such as the proposed Free Trade Agreement of the America, would be dead on arrival.
With only 15 Democrats supporting CAFTA, the Bush administration and the Republican Party have now officially adopted NAFTA’s record of an unsustainable deficit, downward pressure on wages and economic instability as their own. How U.S. trade politics has shifted was demonstrated by the CAFTA no votes of traditional free trade Democrats Jim Davis (D-Fla.) and Harold Ford (D-Tenn.), who are both seeking statewide office in their states.
With a 214-211 vote, the GOP leadership held open the vote because all of the remaining GOP votes (Reps. Jo Ann Davis, Boustany, Capito, Fitzpatrick, Simmons, LaTourette, Jindal and Taylor) were committed to opposing CAFTA, which would have brought the opposition to a winning 219. The promised breaking of arms “into one-thousand pieces,” as Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) stated, ensued with brokered final vote switching and threats which ended the vote at 217-215.
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Lori Wallach is director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch division.
posted on July 31, 2005 08:49:13 AM new
[i] President Bush's success at getting THREE of his programs passed IS really upsetting the dems
CAFTA
the energy bill
the highway bill
No lame duck there.[/i]
Linda, I can understand applauding these three programs passed if you believe that they are for the betterment of all Americans.
But to applaud them solely as points made for President Bush and the republican party, regardless if you believe them to be beneficial or not..well.. isn't that like cutting your nose off to spite your face?
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Jul 31, 2005 09:02 AM ]
posted on July 31, 2005 10:09:20 AM new
maggie - I'm sure you're aware of the what term 'lame duck' means.
I was pointing out that while some here have said this President is, in their opinion, a lame duck President.....and crowfarm's article mentions it.....that, in FACT, it's not true.
Lame ducks don't get the legislation they want passed....has nothing to do with my opinion on any of the issues. Just the facts, mam.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 31, 2005 01:44:53 PM newLame ducks don't get the legislation they want passed....has nothing to do with my opinion on any of the issues. Just the facts, mam.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 31, 2005 05:45:32 PM new
CAFTA will finish what NAFTA has already started. United States won't have any decent jobs left. We are still losing jobs everyday because of cheap labor. Before its over this nation will be sitting in a depression and our dollar won't be worth anything.
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posted on August 1, 2005 05:42:52 AM new
If your tired of job loss and benefits cuts in middle and working class jobs. Below are the names of the Senators that voted YES for CAFTA. You can vote out of office in 2006.
in addition in the House the bill only passed by TWO votes.....so...had any of the 15 House democrats not voted for Cafta....then things would have turned out much differently.
