posted on November 7, 2005 08:28:59 AM new
...end up looking like the fool he is because the WORLD KNOWS America uses torture.
AND, like so many neocons , he talks out of both sides of his mouth when he can't come up with an actual lie..Scum.:
Bush Declares: 'We Do Not Torture'
Updated 10:28 AM ET November 7, 2005
By DEB RIECHMANN
PANAMA CITY, Panama (AP) - President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law."
He declared, "We do not torture."
Over White House opposition, the Senate has passed legislation banning torture. With Vice President Dick Cheney as the point man, the administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA. It was recently disclosed that the spy agency maintains a network of prisons in eastern Europe and Asia, where it holds terrorist suspects.
The European Union is investigating the reports, which have not been confirmed by the White House.
"Our country is at war and our government has the obligation to protect the American people," Bush said. "Any activity we conduct is within the law. We do not torture."
Bush pointedly noted that Congress as well as the White House has an obligation to protect U.S. citizens.
Not only is the Republican-controlled Congress challenging an element of Bush's policy, but the Supreme Court agreed Monday to consider a challenge to the administration's handling of military tribunals for foreign terror suspects. The case, which won't be decided for months, is a major test of presidential wartime powers.
The United States is holding hundreds of foreign terrorism suspects, also, at the military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Bush spoke at a news conference with Panamanian President Martin Torrijos on last day of five-day Latin America trip. Bush was ending the day in Virginia, where he was to campaign for Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore just ahead of Election Day.
On another issue, Bush ducked a question about the CIA leak investigation, declining to say whether he has lived up to his campaign pledge in 2000 to abide by the spirit of federal ethics laws.
"We take this investigation very seriously and we'll continue to cooperate during the investigation," he said.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:11:23 AM new
And yet another reason we won't win the war on terror. People too concerned with the enemies poor little feelings.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:19:16 AM new
Ron, you try to sound so intelligent so why don't you actually investigate the subject BEFORE you make totally naive statements like:
""People too concerned with the enemies poor little feelings.""
Many Americans are concerned with not looking like terrorists.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:22:01 AM new
America does NOT torture prisoners of war. Since those we are fighting are terrorists (aligned to no known country and are not wearing uniforms of any know country) they are not covered under those rules of protection.
I gave my liberal neighbors son a book for his birthday. He went crazy trying to find where to put the batteries.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:37:07 AM new
Very intelligent reply Ron..can't address the issue without an insult? Then you must be really stupid if you did that.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:48:55 AM new
Oh did I insult you? Well I apoligize for that. I should of guessed you had no man and that was callous of me.
I address them because you post opinions as fact, people who just casually read here need know what you post are nothing more than opinions with nothing to back them up.
Opinions are a wonderful thing, but like a wafting pile of Bull sh*t they can stink.
posted on November 7, 2005 09:56:38 AM new
Ron burbles on avoiding the issue.....
""Oh did I insult you? Well I apoligize for that. I should of guessed you had no man and that was callous of me."""
Ron, dear , it's should've, a contraction of should HAVE. And, no, you didn't insult me, you TRIED to...why would you do that instead of addressing the topic?
""I address them because you post opinions as fact, people who just casually read here need know what you post are nothing more than opinions with nothing to back them up."""
YOU just did that with assuming I had a man/didn't have a man....and what exactly would that have to do with Bush lying and makinga fool of himself....you must be identifying too closely with him
Sorry, you're so embarrassed by having such a stupid lying creep for a president.....many others are too.
""people who just casually read here need know what you post are nothing more than opinions with nothing to back them up."""
Now, now Ron, linda wouldn't like you speaking for others
posted on November 7, 2005 10:08:05 AM new
Torture, information gotten from Torture is questionable at best. Our intelligent agencies have all said that.
Even when both Bush/Cheney were told that torture information was questionable at best. It didn't stop them from using it to start a WAR.
Start torturing a person and most people will TELL YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR.
ANOTHER REASON THIS CON-SERVATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS CRUMBLING.
posted on November 7, 2005 10:42:55 AM newlet the CIA do what it is being paid for.
I 100% agree. But they don't want us to win the war. They'd rather our country lose than let this President have a victory in the ME. sad, sad, sad.
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OT - There once was a woman who washed the feet of Jesus, because she loved him. I would gladly wash the feet of someone I loved. [Some don't know how to show love to another....so they make fun of it.]
posted on November 7, 2005 10:56:24 AM new
That is why I said it was amusing Linda that the left was so concerned that an operative got outed but doesn't want them to do thier jobs.
Just what type of people was she recruiting? Bet they really don't want to know.
Ron
posted on November 7, 2005 11:15:33 AM new
Her husband, in an attempt to hurt this administration AND write a book, have a movie produced..outted her himself.
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Ron - In all the years I've posted here I have never seen a leftie defend or say anything positive about either our FBI nor our CIA. They usually post like those two agencies are out to get 'them' in one way or another.
Paranoia at it's finest.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 7, 2005 11:16:11 AM new
Rule to avoid issues No. 1,987:
""No good arguments so discuss feet washing"
hey Peepa, better watch it "Ron" got up on the usual side of the bed this morning...he thinks telling people to wash someone's feet and hopes someone gets tortured is adult...but name-calling is childish
Linda, since you're quoting the bible where does it advocate torture?
Nevermind, i know you can't answer that....
posted on November 7, 2005 11:43:19 AM new
Ron, about our intelligence knowing a lie from the truth.
A couple weeks ago based on intelligence information, New York City spent millions on a lie.
That time in New York intelligence didn't pan out.
According to CON-servatives neither did intelligence about starting the Iraq war pan out.
If our intelligent agencies say Torture info is questionable at best. I and other Americans are suppose to believe your CON-servative view point.
Are Americans suppose to believe the CON-servatives lawmakers? Lawmakers that have blocked an investigation into pre Iraq War intelligence and how it was used.
ANOTHER REASON THIS CON-SERVATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS CRUMBLING IS THEIR SMOKE SCREENS AND DIVERSIONS AREN'T WORKING ANY LONGER.
posted on November 7, 2005 11:49:00 AM new
"Very intelligent reply Ron..can't address the issue without an insult? Then you must be really stupid if you did that"
ladies and gentlemen-here we have the most vile poster ever to come in here(crowfart) telling someone else about being stupid if they post an insult ROFLAMAO!! well if that were the case crowfart,you would be the dumbest person on the internet. GIVE IT UP CROWFART-ITS WEARING THIN.
posted on November 7, 2005 11:49:33 AM new
OMG!!!...an op-ed from a professor from the Soviet Republic of UC Berkerley that I can agree with. Rare...rare I tell you.
Terrorists are not POWs
By Professor John Yoo
Suppose that the United States captures a high-level al-Qaeda leader who knows the location of a weapon of mass destruction in an American city. Sen. John McCain's amendment would prevent the president from taking necessary measures — short of torture — to elicit its location.
To protect the United States against another 9/11-style attack, it makes little sense to deprive ourselves of important, and legal, means to detect and prevent terrorist attacks. Physical and mental abuse is clearly illegal. But should we also take off the table interrogation methods that fall short of torture — such as isolation, physical labor, or plea bargains — but go beyond mere questioning?
While the impulse behind the McCain amendment is worthy, it would not have prevented the abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, which were unrelated to interrogations. Those abuses resulted from sadistic behavior on the "night shift" and were illegal.
The Geneva Conventions — which already prohibit the torture or cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of prisoners — clearly apply in Iraq.
McCain's only real effect would be to limit the interrogation of al-Qaeda terrorists. They are not prisoners of war under Geneva, but a stateless network of religious extremists who do not obey the laws of war, who hide among peaceful populations, and who seek to launch surprise attacks on civilian targets. They have no armed forces to attack, no territory to defend, and no fear of killing themselves in their attacks.
Information is the primary weapon in this new conflict. Intelligence gathered from captured operatives may present the most effective means of stopping terrorist attacks. We should not deprive our military and intelligence agencies of the flexibility to prevent another attack, one perhaps using weapons of mass destruction, on an American city by a terrible and unprecedented enemy.
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John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, served in the Justice Department in 2001-03. He also is the author of Powers of War and Peace.
This item first appeared in the November 1, 2005 issue of USA Today.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on November 7, 2005 11:59:01 AM new
""Linda, since you're quoting the bible where does it advocate torture?
Nevermind, i know you can't answer that....
mingotree
posted on November 7, 2005 11:27:26 AM edit
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Yup, right again!"""
posted on November 7, 2005 01:01:10 PM new
Both rumsfeld and Gonzales advocated, approved torture and now bushy denies it?
He REALLY dosen't have a clue what his staff is doing, does he? Great leadership.
""Linda, since you're quoting the bible where does it advocate torture?
Nevermind, i know you can't answer that....
mingotree
posted on November 7, 2005 11:27:26 AM edit
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Yup, right again!"""
posted on November 7, 2005 01:01:11 PM new
Both rumsfeld and Gonzales advocated, approved torture and now bushy denies it?
He REALLY dosen't have a clue what his staff is doing, does he? Great leadership.
""Linda, since you're quoting the bible where does it advocate torture?
Nevermind, i know you can't answer that....
mingotree
posted on November 7, 2005 11:27:26 AM edit
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Yup, right again!"""
posted on November 7, 2005 01:14:13 PM new
Dungfart,
When you learn how to comprehend what you read (more then just the first sentence) a whole new world will open up for you.
Till then please take you head out of your azz, clean ut your ears and take a break.
posted on November 7, 2005 07:14:27 PM new
Linda- "But they don't want us to win the war."
Another neocon misperception. Most Americans want this country to go to war based on factual information, and are willing to give up something for the cause unlike you whiny neocons here that cry about paying a few dollars more in taxes everytime a tax hike is mentioned. Most Americans supported the war in Afghanistan as just. The president decided that taking out Al Qaeda and Osama wasn't a priority. So he took us to Iraq where there were no WMDs, a secular Muslim country who didn't support extremist factions of Islam. On Bush's watch we have lost over 2000 Americans + another 120,000 plus Iraqi civilians, we have no exit strategy to remove our troops, and every single day more and more of our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, friends continue to die because we have to "stay the course". A course that should have never been taken in the first place considering that 1) It has moved our military resources away from protecting us. 2) Homeland Security is a joke. 3) We are less prepared to handle an emergency on our land than we ever were 4) North Korea Nukes 5) Iran Nukes 6) Bird Flu... etc.
You can point fingers all you want, but the truth is that this Administration has been a miserable failure in just about every single thing they have done since taking office... with two exceptions 1) they were better at smear campaigns than the Democrats were at running a campaign 2) Bush has put money towards AIDS in Africa. #2 is still up for grabs since Bush's base doesn't want to distibute condoms or any other use of prevention with the exception of "abstinence" which obviously will never work.
1) Leave No Child Behind: Failure
2) Afganistan War: Failure
3) Iraq War: Failure
4) Hurricane Relief: Failure
5) Uniter: Failure
6) Ethics: Failure
7) 2004 Flu: Failure
8) Health Care: Failure
9) Economy: Failure
10) Employment: Failure
11) Human Rights: Failure
12) Energy Costs: Failure
13) Scientific Research: Failure
14) Environment: Failure
George Bush has been a miserable failure his entire life. How many corporations has he run into the ground? Texas Rangers??? Failure. He's nothing more than a momma's boy. In fact, he actually depended on Affirmative Action to get into college, riding on his fathers coat tails because of who he was, not what he had accomplished.
posted on November 7, 2005 07:32:57 PM new
Rusty don't forget to add Social Security to your list of Bush's failures.
That was a big item during his re-election campaign. Even after his round the country tour, it was a flop.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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