posted on August 10, 2008 08:53:31 PM new
How disappointing to see yet another man people trusted who can't keep his junk in his pants. Especially when his wife has been going through all the cancer stuff. I never was a particular supporter of his, but I liked his values--until now. This would have to be demoralizing for his wife--unless he's been doing this all along and she's gotten used to it?
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posted on August 10, 2008 09:10:40 PM new
Very disappointing. I liked Edwards and would have voted for him I think. It will be very sad if his career is over as I think he still has a lot to offer this country and his constituency. At least it was a good old standard affair, he wasn't tapping his foot in an airport restroom stall or sending lurid text messages to teenage boys.
posted on August 10, 2008 11:32:01 PM new
I think the scandal will greatly affect his career because the media may concentrate on it endlessly. After this I doubt they can focus on any good that he can offer his country because scandals and dirt draw higher ratings for the networks. There are always those who would rather focus on an affair or the price of a haircut because it holds a higher interest in their minds than any policies that could possibly improve their country.
posted on August 11, 2008 08:13:04 AM new
"Spending $1000 for a haircut didn't give you maybe a little clue?"
Squirrel--be accurate in your accusations. They were $400 haircuts. Gee, I wonder if a $400 haircut is worse than a $500 pair of shoes?
$400 haircuts, $500 pairs of shoes only tell me that these people are well off and are indulging themselves because they can afford it. If they made $50,000 a year and spent that amount of money on haircuts and shoes, then I would worry.
posted on August 11, 2008 09:05:02 AM new
And as Kiara pointed out, "There are always those who would rather focus on an affair or the price of a haircut because it holds a higher interest in their minds than any policies that could possibly improve their country."
posted on August 11, 2008 09:28:00 AM new
Part of the shock, for me, in what he's admitted to is how much sympathy he's garnered for being the loving husband of a woman with an incurable disease. America, I believe, has come to admire and love Elizabeth and to give John brownie points for being such a caring husband.
I've never trusted men who are inordinately vain about their appearance, and it's seemed that John is one of those (especially with the hair). Men who do a lot of facial fixing, or who wear toupees, have seemed vain to me. I wonder if my aversion stems from some unconscious knowledge that a vain man will want arm candy to complement his good looks. Probably over-generalizing here?
What's sad to me is the men who seem unable to live without a "normal, healthy" wife and need to seek solace elsewhere or they'll just go crazy.
Newt Gingrich told his wife as she lay in her hospital bed that he was divorcing her. What an SOB.
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posted on August 11, 2008 09:28:38 AM new
Anybody that flies his barber around and gets a $400 haircut, no matter if he has 100K or 100M is an a**h*le, no matter what you concentrate on. But since he's another one of the left's "man of the people", it makes perfect sense.
posted on August 11, 2008 10:10:09 AM new
Desquirrel, I think anyone who almost bankrupts his own country to invade and try to occupy another country which never did him any great harm and it results in killing and maiming 1000's of innocent people, including his own troops just to satisfy his own ego is a much bigger a**h*le.
posted on August 11, 2008 10:54:49 AM new
"Anybody that flies his barber around and gets a $400 haircut, no matter if he has 100K or 100M is an a**h*le, no matter what you concentrate on."
That is how you feel about it and I bet there are many people who feel the same about a man who spends $500 on a pair of Italian shoes to caress his feet.
Edwards is not one of my favorite Democrats at this point, however, what he spends on haircuts is not the reason. Putting all personal feelings aside as to his behavior, the biggest problem with Edwards is that he is arrogant enough to believe, in this day and age, that he could keep his behavior a secret. There are no secrets anymore and any politician who thinks so is either arrogant or dumb--or both. Not good traits for a president.
posted on August 11, 2008 11:09:47 AM new
Just a reminder, McCain had affairs while married to his first wife (he admitted so in his book)and then left his first wife for his present wife while she was recovering from a terrible car accident. Edwards's behavior is nothing new.
posted on August 11, 2008 12:00:57 PM new
In Europe this wouldn't be such a scandal if it happened to one of their politicians as they expect them to be a bit flawed and mistresses seem to be acceptable. They probably don't have the pressure to act so saintly in all their behavior when they run for government as they do in America. Sometimes it's almost as if voters want the perfect man or woman to be selected to be their leaders when it comes to looks, family, politics, religion, behavior, etc - someone who has no faults at all.
posted on August 11, 2008 01:04:21 PM new
DeSquirrel won't defend McCain's shoes, or that other guy's penchant for college boys or any of the other conservative family values spouting naughties we've had a laugh over these last few years. He'll just ignore them and take cheap shots at Edwards' haircuts. It's pretty much all he's got.
posted on August 11, 2008 02:31:49 PM new
You STILL don't get it. $500 may not be a lot for shoes considering it costs me $180 for mostly artificial materials,LOL, but I DON'T CARE how much they cost.
YOU people chat on and on about these "men of the people" who bleed for the poor and will vanquish the foes of the oppressed, to which I say bs.
Everyone of these people live like oriental potentates and guzzle the energy of 50 families. It would probably be hilarious to contrast the lifestyles of millionaire left wing saviors and millionaire conservatives.
posted on August 11, 2008 03:04:17 PM new
"Ooops, Coach.... I see we posted at the same time about McCain's loafers.
Oh well, great minds think like me."
They sure do, Helen
Squirrel--I have no objection to $400 haircuts or $500 shoes per se. People who spend this kind of money have a right to as it is their money. What counts to me is whether or not they can also focus on the needs of a poorer society, starving children, a suffering middle class, the environment, bringing our troops home--all things which are important to me. OTOH, I do think it is rather nervy for someone who has 5 houses and buys $500 shoes to call his opponent an elitist.
posted on August 11, 2008 03:06:08 PM new
Trying to guess where Edwards's thinking goes on that expensive haircut. It's very possible, isn't it, that he banks most of his appeal on his looks, and a big part of his looks is that Kennedy-like hair. He'd be mortified to appear in public with dumb hair, I suppose.
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posted on August 11, 2008 03:31:54 PM new
With only a few exceptions, Ghandi comes to mind, there have been very few people in history who effected real populist change who were also either poor or lived that way. We get your point squirrel, it's just that it's a specious argument.
posted on August 11, 2008 08:54:22 PM new
He blanked someone who wasn't his wife and you're dithering about the price of his haircut???
He's a sleazebag piece of garbage like most of the men in politics...to think I actually voted for this jerk! What a traitor!
And now he gave his piece of trash a 3 million dollar home and she'll never have to work a day in her life....just her and HIS baby living out their scummy lives in wealth many of will never see.....
Answer to sleaze bags like Edwards and McCain who can't keep it in their pants....
vote in more WOMEN!!!!
The WEAKER sex, men, have had a chance and just can't handle that whoremornal rush.....
posted on August 11, 2008 10:35:34 PM new
Nobody ever blames the girl - like didn't she know who he was or that he was married? What a complete twit. And that picture they're showing of her on tv makes her look like Camilla. How fitting.
And if he didn't talk so much about family values and if his wife didn't have incurable cancer, he might have had a future. I think he's finished.
at least the dems aren't trying to get blown by same sex strangers in bathrooms, or trying to seduce underage boys in their office.
not to mention they aren't a bunch of pussycats blaming what they did on alcohol.
kudo's to John for coming out and explaining what happened, and actually taking the blame on his own shoulders.
his comments about John Mcoldyfartpants were kinda lame, and came off like 'hey, he did it to' - which is good for people to know about if they are going to crucify John for what he did, but a really weak argument.
wait a second, why does anyone care what John Edwards is doing these days anyway?
posted on August 13, 2008 11:49:42 AM new
barparts
posted on August 13, 2008 10:46:28 AM At least John, Rudy and co had the decency to get a divorce before dropping their pants.
OH REALLY?? NOT SO...
Rudy moved in with his girl friend BEFORE divorcing his wife:
(AP) Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Donna Hanover reached an out-of-court divorce settlement Wednesday, avoiding a public conclusion to their bitter separation after two decades of marriage.
The settlement was accepted by the court the day the case was scheduled to go to trial. Supreme Court Justice Judith Gische had granted attorneys for the two an extension to finalize details of the settlement worked out in an all-night negotiating session.
"I hope the very, very best for Donna and her future. We have two children. I want everything to work out the very best for them," Giuliani said outside court.
Hanover lawyer Helene Brezinsky told Gische, "We have been able to settle this matter. The agreement has been signed."
Giuliani attorney Raoul Felder said, "Sometimes a birth takes a long time, but it gets done."
Brezinsky said the settlement called for Giuliani to pay Hanover "more than $6.8 million plus all of her litigation expenses and legal fees."
The marriage began falling apart during Giuliani's first term as mayor.
Giuliani, 58, had filed for divorce in October 2000, accusing Hanover, a television personality and sometime actress, of cruel and inhuman treatment. Hanover, in her own filing last month, blamed the ex-mayor's "open and notorious adultery" for the split.
Giuliani has acknowledged having a romance with Judith Nathan.
Hanover, 52, also accused Giuliani of an affair with a former staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas. She and Giuliani have denied the allegation. "
And McCain dumped the wife who waited for him while he was in POW camp and was disfigured in an automobile accident:
"In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.
Carol and her children were devastated. ‘It was a complete surprise,’ says Nancy Reynolds, a former Reagan aide.
‘They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.’
Another friend added: ‘Carol didn’t fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, “He just wants to make up for lost time.”’
Indeed, to many in their circle the saddest part of the break-up was Carol’s decision to resign herself to losing a man she says she still adores.
Friends confirm she has remained friends with McCain and backed him in all his campaigns. ‘He was very generous to her in the divorce but of course he could afford to be, since he was marrying Cindy,’ one observed.
McCain transferred the Florida beach house to Carol and gave her the right to live in their jointly-owned townhouse in the Washington suburb of Alexandria. He also agreed to pay her alimony and child support.
A former neighbour says she subsequently sold up in Florida and Washington and moved in 2003 to Virginia Beach. He said: ‘My impression was that she found the new place easier to manage as she still has some difficulties walking.’
Meanwhile McCain moved to Arizona with his new bride immediately after their 1980 marriage. There, his new father-in-law gave him a job and introduced him to local businessmen and political powerbrokers who would smooth his passage to Washington via the House of Representatives and Senate.
And yet despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who won’t forget his treatment of his first wife.
Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.
‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’
One old friend of the McCains said: ‘Carol always insists she is not bitter, but I think that’s a defence mechanism. She also feels deeply in his debt because in return for her agreement to a divorce, he promised to pay for her medical care for the rest of her life.’ " http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
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posted on August 13, 2008 07:47:44 PM new
From another post citing McCain abusing Cindy, calling her a c##t, I think Carol should be thrilled with her settlement and riddance!
posted on August 16, 2008 06:47:41 AM new
I, for one, wish we would stop peeking into the bedrooms of perfect strangers. I don't care that he had an affair. As for having it while his wife was ill, is that really any different than having it when she wasn't? Why is all the concentration on him and not on the person he had the affair with? Is she somehow innocent? And, who gives a rat's behind what he spends his money on? Anyone here want to give an accounting of what they spend their money on? I've spent $100 on a haircut before.
I'm willing to bet that most of our presidents have had affairs. I've dated musicians almost my whole dating life and believe me, you can be in the most committed of relationships and it will only take one insistent groupie to turn your man's head and only one weak moment for him to take the bait. I think politician's wives, as well as musician's wives, go into it knowing the risks.
I'm not saying any of this is right. I'm only saying that it's none of our business. It's between Edwards, his conscious and his wife.
JMHO.
Cheryl
[ edited by cblev65252 on Aug 16, 2008 06:48 AM ]
Cheryl, you stated, "I think politician's wives, as well as musician's wives, go into it knowing the risks."
That's a very good point, Cheryl! In this case, Edward's wife, Elizabeth, had been aware of the affair since 2006. She was therefore complicit in the chance that he was taking which if revealed could disrupt the Democratic party and destroy any possiblility that Democrats could win this election.
By not revealing his sexual liason he not only deceived his wife and his family but he put the Democratic party and the country in jeopardy. Can you imagine the futility of a John Edwards ticket right now if he had not dropped out? We would then have another four years of McCain/Bush terrorizing the world and four more years of dangerous and incompetent government in the United States.
posted on August 17, 2008 11:15:42 AM new
Helen: Such a good point about endangering the party this election season. I hadn't thought of that, but, really, the two of them were taking an enormous risk--at our expense.
posted on August 17, 2008 11:09:23 PM new
Helen, I didn't think about that either when the affair was first exposed. It wasn't until later when I took the time to finally view all of Edwards' interview with Bob Woodruff that I started to see things in a different light. I get the feeling that Edwards is still lying and it's difficult to even watch his denials, his eyes, his smile or anything he relates now.
As a side note, I'm happy to see that Bob Woodruff has recovered so much after his injuries.
