krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 11:57:20 AM
http://www.dallascad.org/dcadres00.cfm?theKey=60084500240110000
He lives in Texas but makes a trip to Wisconsin in order to register to vote.
Gee, I hope he didn't vote at home too.
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 24, 2000 04:14:10 PM
And what did <b>Hillary</b> do in New York?
Why is it fair for her?
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KatyD
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posted on November 24, 2000 04:27:33 PM
Gee, that nice big house and he doesn't even have a pool??! 
IMLDS2, Bill and Hillary didn't own another house in any other state. Their only residence for the last 8 years is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington D.C. Seeing as how they knew that another tenant would be moving in shortly, they needed to find another place to live. Might as well be New York.
KatyD
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snowyegret
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posted on November 24, 2000 04:32:10 PM
LOL, Highland Park, it figures. And these are the unifiers?
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 24, 2000 04:32:35 PM
Hmmm...how come my <> didn't work? Do I need to use []?
You are correct..,I'd forgotten the Clintons have always lived off their friends or the government.
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macandjan
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posted on November 24, 2000 05:12:36 PM
She'll be moving back in in time. Question is who will be with her?
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 05:16:11 PM
Cheney's supposed to have put his Texas house on the market for $3.1 million.
Wonder where he plans to move?
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KatyD
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posted on November 24, 2000 05:16:59 PM
That's very possible, macandjan. Chelsea, at least will probably move back with her.
KatyD
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Zazzie
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posted on November 24, 2000 06:22:13 PM
IMLDS----and I guess George W. Bush can't wait to get on the government dole just like his Daddy did before him. Prez Bush senior told him it had good benefits and pension plan---that's why he ran 
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 24, 2000 06:29:12 PM
Zazzie...you don't really believe that do you? Are you playing devils advocate? 
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biff
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:00:42 PM
So? What are you trying to prove by showing someone's ( even though it's easily accessible) private information?
Does owning property in Texas somehow make Mr. Cheney bad? Or changing his residence? I own homes in two states and I changed my voter registration and primary residence this year myself. People do it all the time. For a variety of reasons.
And you yourself have stated that you own several homes, krs. You know a lot of people don't even have one. Does that somehow make you a bad guy? Because you choose to invest in real estate? It's all relative.
Seems to me like it's digging for crumbs to feed the dogs of frenzy.
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ShellyHerr
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:08:59 PM
Dang there is no picture, and all it showed was the square footage!
Yes people own more than one home, and in different states, nothing wrong with it, wish I could!
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siggy
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:25:29 PM
Cheney couldn't have run for VP if both he and Bush were from the same state, which they are. Had to establish "residency" elsewhere to be eligible to be on the ballot as VP. Which I think he did right before he was nominated at the convention.
Think his establishing residency elsewhere for the purpose of running for VP is being challenged in court now (as is almost everything else these days).
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:33:14 PM
Biff,
Are you the only person who isn't aware that state electors cannot vote for both a president and a vice president who are both residents of the state the electors represent?
Cheney, though from Wisconsin, has been a resident of Texas since 1992. Suddenly, on July 1, 2000 he goes to Wisconsin to register to vote.
Many think that this was a subterfuge to circumvent the above constitutional restriction. There was a suit filed in Florida, dismissed for jurisdictional reasons, to prevent the Texas electors voting for the republican ticket at the electoral college because Cheney is a resident of Texas.
A new lawsuit has been filed in Texas now, with the same purpose.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001121/aponline145058_001.htm
That's the significance.
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IMLDS2
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:37:11 PM
I'm positive no a single democrat has ever changed their state for an election...nope..I think I just might nominate the democrats for sainthood with the pope (next time I see him!)
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:39:17 PM
"a subterfuge to circumvent the above constitutional restriction" .... or to someone without an obvious bias it might simply be a legally allowable change of primary residence to make certain that the electors can vote for him.
It's all in how you choose to spin it.
Dr. Beetle
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:40:04 PM
No need for that. You've heard of Demigods?
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siggy
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:40:52 PM
Ah, thought so, it's Wyoming, not Wisconsin. Wondered why Wisconsin was entering into the discussion.
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:44:07 PM
Aha! Another republican plot. He lived in Texas, registered to vote in Wyoming and voted in Wisconsin (and he was probably wearing a brown shirt when he voted). The plot thickens.
Dr. Beetle
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:45:59 PM
Of course "legally allowable change of primary residence" is another spin, except that requirements for establishing primary residency include living there.
Siggy, my mistake. It is Wyoming.
[ edited by krs on Nov 24, 2000 08:49 PM ]
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rawbunzel
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:47:58 PM
If he voted by absentee ballot he could even have been nude.
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snowyegret
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:48:09 PM
Rather, the plaque thickened.
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biff
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:55:55 PM
krs,
No, I knew about the president, vice president residency thing. It's as good of a reason to change residency as any other. There's nothing illegal about changing residency, you just can't claim it in two places at once. Heck, he might even move back to Texas after this is over.
The laws of residency are a whole new discussion. And I'm afraid that Mr. Cheney is only one of many who change residency for political reasons, regardless of party affiliation.
I personally made the effort to change legal residency due to state income tax laws. Moved from a 7.75% state to a 0% state. One of the ways you establish legal residency is registering to vote.
Since Texas and Wyoming are both 0% income tax states we can assume that wasn't why Mr. Cheney changed his. But he's from Wyoming. Did he already own a home here? And what does the value and description of his home in Texas have to do with his residency status?
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enchanted
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posted on November 24, 2000 08:58:39 PM
quick. webcams are needed. voting has occurred in the nude.
[email protected]
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:06:22 PM
From Wyoming’s State Law Title 22:
(xxx) "Residence" is the place of a person's actual habitation. The construction of this term shall be governed by the following rules:
(A). Residence is the place where a person has a current habitation and to which, whenever he is absent, he has the intention of returning;
The statute further states:
(D) A person shall not gain residence in a county if he enters it without the intent of making it his current actual residence;
(E) If a person removes to another state with the intent of making it his residence, he loses his residence in Wyoming; except that in a general election year, if his registration is valid in Wyoming when he leaves this state and he is unable to qualify under the laws of his new state of residence to vote at the primary or general election, he shall be deemed to have retained residence in Wyoming for purposes of voting by absentee ballot in the primary or general election;
So it appears as if Cheney lost his residence in Wyoming when he first registered to vote in Texas. However, it also appears that he regained his Wyoming residency when he established his “intent” to reside there. No where in the statute are there any time requirements for residency. All requirements for residency seem to boil down to intent. So unless you are reading Cheney’s mind about his intent it does in fact seem as if he resides in Wyoming. Note that Wyoming allows you to be absent from your state residence as long as you have the intent to return.
Dr. Beetle
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:14:17 PM
Biff,
You said it yourself with "One of the ways you establish legal residency is registering to vote". Since President Clinton deprived him of his job as defense secretary, Cheney has been president and CEO of Halliburton Industries of Dallas,TX. I don't know if the people sueing have established where he voted in 1996, but I'd hazard a guess and say in Texas. Working , living, and voting all serve to establish primary residency which I'm sure you know would not be overcome by a quick trip to another state to register to vote if anyone should develop interest in the matter.
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biff
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:25:06 PM
krs,
Yep, you may well be right. My husband was president and CEO of a corporation and I also served in an executive position in one state. But our legal residence was in another (very distant) state. We had/have homes in both states. I don't imagine our employees had any idea or cared where our residency was claimed.
But we are registered and only vote in one state. The one we in which we claim residency.
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biff
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:28:52 PM
And why does his residency status of 1996 or where he voted then have any bearing on where he claims residency today?
And why does his personal real estate information have anything to do with where he claims residency?
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krs
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:54:25 PM
You mentioned your employer's not having known of your residency, but in the case of Mr. Cheney somewhat more hinges upon the establishment of HIS residency as I'm sure that you would agree.
The fact of his employment and residence in Teaxas along with the fact of his voting in Wyoming go to the possibility of an avoidance of constitutional requirements and his having voted previously in Texas tends to support that premise.
If these things are true, and he did make the trip last July to register in Wyoming as part of establishing residency away from what must be seen as his primary residency then ethical questions are justified. As we have seen, ethical issues are valid selection criteria for elected office. Weren't you, after all, one of many who decried Al Gore's history of lies and presented that history as one reason that he should not be president?
I doubt that anyone could make argument for Dick Cheney having selected Texas as a location for his vacation home.
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DoctorBeetle
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posted on November 24, 2000 09:56:00 PM
Biff, his residency status and where he voted in 1996 have no bearing on his current residency in Wyoming. Scroll back up the screen a few posts a read Wyoming's law for yourself.
Dr. Beetle
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