krs
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posted on December 2, 2000 12:17:36 AM
Isn't it a little late now?
The neo-religious group Jews for Jesus has become one of todays most intrusive and some say objectionable persuasion-driven organizations around. Pushy even beyond the burgeoning Born Again Christian movement during the early 1970s.
Do they think that they've discovered something new? What drives them to such evangelical methods as blind public approaches, mailbox stuffing, and door to door witnessing type activities?
(Hi Pat  )
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Zazzie
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posted on December 2, 2000 12:25:22 AM
You just wanted to see if anyone was still awake......
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krs
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posted on December 2, 2000 12:33:04 AM
Awake! Right. That's another comparison that could be made. There are resemblances between Jews for Jesus and the Jehovah's Witness's, at least in their intrusive methods.
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Zazzie
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posted on December 2, 2000 12:37:38 AM
Cue music....
All Around the Watchtower--by Jimmy Hendrix
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chococake
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posted on December 2, 2000 01:23:39 AM
Now krs how did I know you'd start a thread like this?
I really try to stay out of religious topics because I am truly a non believer. I would only make negative comments which would offend 90% of the posters here, and also get me slapped by a couple of moderators.
But, sometimes it's so hard to keep my fingers off the keyboard.
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shar9
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posted on December 2, 2000 04:14:36 AM
Morning Chocolate,
I'm sorry, I am imagining that you are sitting at your keyboard while sitting on your fingers.
I guess I am behind the times. I have never heard of this group.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 2, 2000 04:48:25 AM
I don't see a whole lot of difference among ANY evangelical group's proslyetizing techniques: they're equally annoying and unconvincing. Walk across Boston Common on a warm day and you'll be accosted by a handful of assorted sects, all of whom are equally convinced that theirs is the only route to salvation. Funny thing is, they all seem to use the same spiel. I'm beginning to wonder whether there's some site where you can pick a tract, fill in the blanks with your own personal sect and deity name (and accompanying picture, if your belief system allows it), and get 50,000 copies printed overnight for $5.
Fortunately, the "convert or die" option has been eliminated from most organizations as an appropriate technique.
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stockticker
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posted on December 2, 2000 08:33:42 AM
One of the few advantages of living in a Zone 3 climate is that you don't get accosted much on the street or at your front door by people trying to push their religious beliefs on you.
Irene
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chococake
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posted on December 2, 2000 08:55:28 AM
shar
Ha, not a pretty sight, huh? In real life I make my opinion known. Many people have tried to "save" me, but none have succeeded.
My dear friend of 30 years died this summer. He was very religious and we got in some pretty heated debates. Of course his memorial was in his church. As I was saying my private goodbye, I told him well you finally got me in church didn't you? I really felt uncomfortable thoughout the service and couldn't wait for it to be over.
I grew up in a traditional Polish Catholic family.
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brighid868
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posted on December 2, 2000 08:57:12 AM
in my book, proselytizers (sp?) range from 1 "mostly harmless" to 10 "get the pepper spray". Jehovahs aren't that bad. They usually just send old ladies who I have no trouble being polite to. The Mormons send young guys in suits and I tend to get a little more playful with them. Once I invited them in and we had a spirited chat about the Pope and birth control. Jews For Jesus ranks way up at the far end of the irritant list, especially because of their tactics at my college back in the days when I still wasted my breath getting fired up about such things. Also, I had an eye opening experience in a ecumenical chat room on AOL many years ago when I was a new subscriber, one night with JForJ people. They came in and invited anyone from the all-faiths chat who cared to, to come on over to their Jews For Jesus chat. I came over and the first thing I typed was "Isn't it great that a huge conglomorate like AOL can bring together people of different faiths? And isn't it great that members of different faiths, like you and I, can exist side by side together without trying to convert each other?" and they answered "No."
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xardon
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posted on December 2, 2000 08:57:31 AM
Speaking of sects.....I think those Shakers had the right idea. You sure don't see them hanging around the airports nowadays.
If only all religous extremists could follow their example. We'd at least have a surplus of really nice furniture.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 2, 2000 10:56:40 AM
Shakers may indeed have had the "right idea" about a number of things, but their celibate, sexually-segregated, communitarian way of life hasn't exactly caught on. In 1965 the group voted not to accept new members. Total membership in the 2 remaining communities is now 7. Not surprising, then, that you don't see crowds of them "hanging around airports"
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Shakers.html
But just in case you want to set up your own community:
http://passtheword.org/SHAKER-MANUSCRIPTS/Millennial-Church/millndex.htm
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Dec 2, 2000 10:57 AM ]
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xardon
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posted on December 2, 2000 11:32:20 AM
HCQ - You are pathologically pedantic!
Did you miss or just overlook my homonymic attempt at humor?
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krs
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posted on December 2, 2000 11:41:27 AM
Right. It's about chairs, not people.
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 2, 2000 01:03:15 PM
Gosh, I'm sorry. I figured your humor was so obvious I didn't have to say "ha ha, I got the joke". I think your desire that cults follow the Shakers' example (a "closed" community, celibacy preventing any new members-by-birth, and an eventual vote to not accept new members, all of which I'm sure you were aware) was pretty amusing (and perceptive). Thought I'd pull the other one and back up your suggestion with a little pedantry, just for good measure. Kind of surprised you didn't get the joke. Next time I'll try not to be so subtle. Would a winkie help?
[ edited by HartCottageQuilts on Dec 2, 2000 01:10 PM ]
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Zazzie
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posted on December 2, 2000 01:15:49 PM
on my meter at an 8 or 9
Campus Crusade
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plsmith
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posted on December 2, 2000 01:47:17 PM
Here's proof that the further one travels away from religious norms, the more fun religion becomes:
http://www.clonejesus.com/
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snowyegret
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posted on December 2, 2000 01:59:59 PM
plsmith: ROTFLMAO!!!
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krs
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posted on December 2, 2000 02:03:22 PM
Gee quilt, how many more edits do you think it'll take before you convince anyone that you got the joke in the first place?
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snowyegret
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posted on December 2, 2000 02:16:36 PM
More proof?
http://www.cobo.org/
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on December 2, 2000 04:07:10 PM
plsmith - best yet. How'd you stumble on that site, anyway?
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macandjan
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posted on December 2, 2000 04:52:54 PM
[ edited by macandjan on Dec 3, 2000 08:42 AM ]
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plsmith
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posted on December 2, 2000 05:18:47 PM
Snowyegret, HartCottageQuilts ( -- I'm going to call ya HCQ from now on like everyone else --) and all: there once was a deliciously funny man named Steve Berlin who surfed the Web and discovered that most of what it contains is utterly useless (and hilariously funny). So he created "Steve Berlin's Utterly Useless Pages" -- a compendium of links to Internet idiocy. He has since retired, but The Useless Pages live on:
http://www.go2net.com/useless/useless/retired/retired-steve10.html
(The above URL will take you to one of dozens of retired Useless pages. Steve's one-line commentaries -- which accompany each link -- will make you howl. Surf them all... I have never laughed so hard in my life, clicking on
these links and discovering what my fellow man is capable of... )
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kitsch1
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posted on December 2, 2000 05:21:13 PM
Religion is between man and man. Spirituality is between man and God.
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snowyegret
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posted on December 2, 2000 06:02:04 PM
plsmith: Wiping tears of laughter off. That one's bookmarked! Thanks!!!
hcq: The worst quilt in the world contest! My favorite is the quilt using duct tape for binding!
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