krs
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posted on January 23, 2001 02:53:18 PM new
What great news!
This could mean the beginning of real strides in research into finding cures for the remaining scourges which haunt mankind.
Test tube cloned humans to use as experimental fodder in the search for cures for everything from aids to zits, hives to cancer and all without legal or moral sanction.
Much needed organs for transplanting could be grown on farms around the world, available locally with an immediacy never before imagined.
Aside those obvious benefit, this allowance could be the beginnings of man's facility to provide much needed asistance to the Creator in His or Her evolutionary quest to make a perfect image of Him or Her Almighty Self.
Additionally, this could mean that Barry (gimmegimmegimme all your lovin')Barris will have a chance to obtain the girl of his dreams without risk of asthmatic crisis.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010123/wl/britain_cloning_dc.html
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Shoshanah
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posted on January 23, 2001 03:04:52 PM new
Twilight Zone!!!!!! : I just finished reading a SciFi book by John Darneton, The Experiment, which deals with this very subject... It was really spooky!
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rawbunzel
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posted on January 23, 2001 03:06:40 PM new
I've been wondering why the anti-abortionists have not jumped on this with a vengance. Here they are going to be making who knows how many thousands of little fertilized eggs,experiment on them, and then throw them away after 14 days.
Apparently, in Britan, life begins on the 14th day.
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HJW
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posted on January 23, 2001 03:54:43 PM new
Human Cloning will happen. But it's a stretch to think of headless and brainless
bodies raised for spare parts.
I am in favor of research with aborted
embryos. There is no point in wasting
useful research material. Researchers
in Cancer, Diabetes and other chronic
diseases will benefit tremendously.
But there are a lot of ethical and religious
dilemmas that will have to be overcome.
Helen
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KatyD
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posted on January 23, 2001 04:02:21 PM new
Oh not headless or brainless. But definitely an inexhaustible supply of "spare parts". We're not there yet, but think "Dolly".
Shosh, I read that book too. The technology is in place now, so it really isn't that far out when you think about it. Think about the people who have unlimited funds and no scruples. It IS scary. 
KatyD
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Shoshanah
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posted on January 23, 2001 04:10:31 PM new
Katy, But is was a good book, wasn'it! Yes! It's insight was spine-chilling!
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posted on January 23, 2001 04:13:46 PM new
According to the news article, pro-lifers are taking issue with this.
Of course for those pro-abortionists, there should not be a problem. If a fetus is not a life then obviously a clone of a fetus should be of little thought.
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gravid
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posted on January 23, 2001 04:46:23 PM new
WIRED magazine this issue has a big article on cloning. They predict that deliberate cloning of a full person will take place within the year if it has not already been done.
The really interesting thing buried in the article is that the way certain infertility procedures are done it is possible that someone has already made a clone by accident and it would not be obvious.
All large infertility clinics have all the equipment and substances needed to do cloning.
Twins and triplets are clones.
Would people consider it an abomination if a couple wanted twins on purpose?
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KatyD
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:04:06 PM new
Of course for those pro-abortionists, there should not be a problem. If a fetus is not a life then obviously a clone of a fetus should be of little thought.
inside obviously you have no clue regarding those who are pro-choice with regard to a woman's right to determine what happens to her own body. I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortionist", only pro-choice. There is a huge difference.
gravid I remember there was controversy a while back about a publicized case where a woman became pregnant for the sole purpose of providing a donor match to the couple's daughter. I believe the daughter had cancer of some sort, and the idea was to provide a blood marrow transplant. The baby, a son I believe, was born and was determined to be a match. I don't remember if the transplant was done. But I remember that there was quite a bit of controversy about it.
KatyD
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ddicffe
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:16:55 PM new
All I will say is this:
Niether is right, but man feels that he must be "like a god", so I guess we are gonna keep trying to the end. I have a feeling that this thread will be a hot one, too....
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
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HJW
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:23:20 PM new
Katyd
I remember reading about that case. The
transplant was done and it was successful.
I don't know how long it lasted though.
Helen
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busybiddy
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:45:21 PM new
Every time you look, there is some article here or there that predicts a cloned human ..."any day now."
Fact is, they already have problems with the sheep and mice they've cloned but they don't put as much attention on it in the press. Cloned animals don't live as long as the original animal. Some of their chromosome "tips" are shortened, or aged, and they die sooner than they should.
Cloning may prove helpful in making biological matter for medical use, but I seriously doubt we will ever see carbon copies of ourselves any time soon.
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mauimoods
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:48:34 PM new
Anyone ever watch the movie "Boys From Brazil" with Gregory Peck? Talk about scarey.
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ddicffe
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posted on January 23, 2001 05:59:09 PM new
maui: The book was ever so much better, but I see what you are saying......
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
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gravid
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posted on January 23, 2001 06:15:08 PM new
Actually there are several ways to do cloning and they can get around the segments on the end of the DNA that shorten each time the cell divides but there are other problems.
They did a clone of an extict antelope recently and after a couple days the animal died suddenally and they are still trying to find out why. Part of the reason might be that although they inserted the nucleus from the extinct animal there is genetic material in the rest of the cell they used from a related animal to host it, and the understanding of how the two work together and how that non nuclear material is expressed is not complete.
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HJW
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posted on January 23, 2001 06:21:25 PM new
Just to be able to use aborted fetuses for research would save
so many lives and cure so many diseases. Of course, it raises conflicts
between science and religion.
Someone mentioned "playing God." I don't think this is our
motive. We are just trying to survive as well as we can and
help as many chronically ill people as possible.
But with the George Bush/Ashcroft regime, I doubt that much
progress will be made in this regard in
America
Helen
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inside
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posted on January 23, 2001 06:36:57 PM new
KatyD,
What is the difference?
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Antiquary
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posted on January 23, 2001 06:55:23 PM new
I don't think that there's any question but that cloning will continue because the immediate usefulness to society outweighs the concerns. What the ultimate results will be is disturbing but probably inevitable.
Ann Richards is on Larry King tonight. Neat lady. Wish someone could clone her.
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KatyD
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posted on January 23, 2001 07:15:19 PM new
inside There's plenty of information out there that can explain the difference to you, if you really want to know.
Antiquary YES! Ann Richards is my fantasy grandma. Isn't she a doll? Tnaks for the heads up. I'll have to watch LK tonite!
KatyD
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Antiquary
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posted on January 23, 2001 07:25:29 PM new
katyd Yes, she is super...bright, smooth, direct, colorful. Hugh Downs is in the guest host chair.
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stusi
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posted on January 23, 2001 07:35:17 PM new
asking who you would least want to see cloned would inevitably turn this into a political thread. but how about who you might want to see cloned? theoretically it could include the deceased if genetic material could be obtained.
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gravid
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posted on January 23, 2001 07:56:41 PM new
The doctors running infertility clinics said they get requests daily from people who have lost children or mates and want them cloned.
These people don't seem to realize that the new person would not have the same experiences growing up and might have a very different personality. They might not even like you!
When they get to where they can assemble a package of DNA and guarentee that the child will not have any defects - no inherited diseases or diabetes or tendancy to cancer - then they will have something to market. I don't need the new improved model - taller or prettier, with perfect pitch and 20 -10 eyesight.
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HJW
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posted on January 23, 2001 07:57:19 PM new
stusi
That's a problem...because you would get the identical body but the most important thing, the personality cannot be cloned.
Helen
I should add to personality, character,
integrity etc.
[ edited by HJW on Jan 23, 2001 08:25 PM ]
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stusi
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posted on January 23, 2001 08:03:06 PM new
recently in the U.S. there was a story about people having genetic material taken from their pets while alive so that they could be cloned upon their death. there would perhaps be less of a personality issue as the "new" pet could be similarly trained.
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HJW
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posted on January 23, 2001 08:31:41 PM new
so, if you can train a pet you can train a human...That's an interesting concept. Neither pet or human would ever be exactly
the same but close maybe.
Helen
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bunnicula
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posted on January 23, 2001 08:50:11 PM new
All this puts me in mind of Schwarzenegger's latest film, "The Sixth Day." Anybody else seen it?
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krs
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posted on January 23, 2001 09:10:15 PM new
gravid, I think that they determined that your antelope died of SCEADS, and didn't effect the success rate of cloning in general.
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HJW
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posted on January 24, 2001 05:48:58 AM new
Hey! This is better than science fiction. How would you like to
turn your age back to 0 or possibly 20?
This Harvard educated doctor claims that could be a possibility.
"Human cloning can take a 65-year-old and turn the age of that person back to zero - to the one cell stage. It is not unreasonable to expect that in the future we can turn the age of the 65-year-old back to 25!"
http://www.humancloning.org/seed.htm
Helen
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inside
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posted on January 24, 2001 01:22:09 PM new
KatyD,
In other words, you can't explain the difference?
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KatyD
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posted on January 24, 2001 01:35:04 PM new
inside Perhaps you should read the title of this thread. You appear to be confusing the issue of the constitutional right of a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body over the controversy surrounding human cloning. If you reread this thread you might even be able to come up with a comment that is on topic. But then, maybe not. Good luck! 
KatyD
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