Borillar
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posted on March 14, 2001 12:11:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/03/12/bush.airlines.ap/index.html
Did you really expect him to side with the American worker?
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gravid
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posted on March 14, 2001 04:44:02 AM
"we were sending a signal to all three parties to work hard,"
There speaks someone who has no idea what the results of their actions will really be, or are in denial of the result.
I suppose if they strike they will all just be fired?
I would not be surprised if they don't realize that you can't just hire a bunch of new people off the street to assemble jet engines, because most of the people who have that skill set are already employed.
If they DO do that stay off the planes because they won't be safe.
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scrabblegod
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posted on March 14, 2001 06:07:30 AM
Good for GW. I am tired of a few greedy people holding America hostage for more pay. When many people still earn mininmum wages in this country, we have others crying because the 15 or 20 or up dollars an hour are not enough to live on. Unions are the best example of internal terrorist. Do you think the police or firefighters should be allowed to strike. Airlines are a large part of our transportation infrastructure and anything that threatens that must be dealt with.
edited to add:
I think unions served a real purpose when they were created, but have outlived their usefullness
Let me guess, you are not a fan of our President.
[ edited by scrabblegod on Mar 14, 2001 06:14 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on March 14, 2001 06:30:15 AM
Just to surprise you - I would never go on strike. However if conditions were unacceptable I WILL quit.
I did that to one business owner and he was unable to find anyone for a 3 year period who could produce acceptable quality in the work I had been doing and eventually lost the customer I had serviced. After he had tried to replace me he was a lot more polite to me than when I worked for him. Is that stupid?
A strike is only needed for works who can be exploited because they are relatively unskilled and can be replaced easily.
If you have skills that are marketable why should you be afraid to tell them to take the job and jam it if they treat you bad?
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krs
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posted on March 14, 2001 06:57:20 AM
Sure, scrabble,
They can just contract the maintenance of airliners out anyway. Cheaper too. Makes for growth and free enterprise. Like the Cuban immigrants who were hired by a subcontractor to ValuJet. They were cheaper.
Problem was that they couldn't read the english language warning labels on the oxygen generators that they put aboard a plane, so the things banged around and ignited because they hadn't been correctly nuetralized and a planeload of people went like a dart into the everglades.
GW, in his hero worship of Ronnie, seems to want to pull a coup like Ronnie did in firing all of the air traffic controllers. Good move, right? They haven't recovered even now to the level of safety that existed prior to that one. Did you know that an emergency call was put out offering federal employees opportunities to be trained to take those ATC jobs? They were pumping people through in three months and putting them on control tower panels nearly blind.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:18:25 AM
Mornin'
There must be something I'm not understanding about this.
How is what President Bush has done different than what Clinton did? They both wish to avoid a strike.
Written in that same URL is:
President Clinton appointed the last airline emergency board in the 1997 to end a strike by American Airlines pilots just minutes after it began on the brink of Christmas travel season. He declined to appoint one a year later to block a Northwest pilots' strike.
Thanks.
(edited for clarity)
[ edited by Linda_K on Mar 14, 2001 07:53 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:29:28 AM
Linda_K
Can you please clarify your question?
Helen
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gravid
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:30:30 AM
krs - But was it cost effective for the company to trade one plane for the overall savings?
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:32:33 AM
Opps, I forgot.
You don't answer my questions.
Clinton was wrong to interfere with this
strike.
Is that the answer you were looking for?
Helen
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:37:18 AM
scrabblegod
You state...
"Unions are the best example of internal terrorist."
That is "wierd" thinking at it's best. I
suppose I am allowed to say this because
KRS said it to me yesterday.
Or, do we have priviledged characters here?
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:39:20 AM
If you want to find an internal terrorist,
just go to the White House.
Helen
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krs
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:39:37 AM
I know, gravid. The plane and it's contents were insured, and it was an old airframe. Better to crash it, pay off the loved ones, than to have to repair or scrap it.
This way it was a nice clean disposal saving retirement benefits for the senior pilots and crew aboard. It hardly made a noticable dent in the swamp.
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krs
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:41:00 AM
krs does not mispell 'weird'.
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:42:33 AM
I think I got my message across
weird, weird, weird
[ edited by HJW on Mar 14, 2001 07:45 AM ]
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sgtmike
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:45:29 AM
President Bush's preemptive strike is probably a personal message to the labor unions who campaigned and voted against him.
Go Bush!
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dubyasdaman
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:46:52 AM
HJW:
"If you want to find an internal terrorist,
just go to the White House."
Again, would you care to explain the logic behind this statement? Where on earth do you come up with these?
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:55:41 AM
dubyasdamom
You seem to have difficulty reading.
And I am not going to dumb down every statement that I write just for your
benefit.
If you can't understand my statements then
don't read them. I can bet that whatever
the meaning, you will not agree with it.
Helen
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sgtmike
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posted on March 14, 2001 07:58:46 AM
"If you want to find an internal terrorist,just go to the White House."
[ edited by sgtmike on Mar 14, 2001 08:01 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:26:12 AM
Sarge,
Maybe we should get back on topic and discuss
the fact that there is in the white house
an individual, an annointed president of the
United States, who wants to prevent labor
unions from striking.
Helen
You can't bother me with your insults.
I would be very concerned if you agreed with
any thought that I might have.
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stockticker
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:28:57 AM
What a sexist title for this thread! Women aren't considered workers?
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sgtmike
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:44:24 AM
HJW
Get your facts straight and learn to understand what you read.
I indicated your statement about a terrorist being in the Whitehouse was "distorted." How does that compute to insulting you?
Bush is attempting to prevent an airline strike that involves labor unions. Until he shows a pattern, your statement " …who wants to prevent labor unions from striking" rings of totality,is not corroborated, and is
[ edited by sgtmike on Mar 14, 2001 10:24 AM ]
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mzalez
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:48:49 AM
stockticker, you are cracking me up! hee hee
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:49:32 AM
But sarge,
I noticed that you had no comment on the
statement by scrabblegod when he stated that
"Unions are the best example of internal terrorist."
Helen
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stockticker
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posted on March 14, 2001 08:55:23 AM
Mzalez: 
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gravid
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posted on March 14, 2001 09:11:04 AM
I will bite.
Terrorist involves much more forceful action than withholding your labor. However in labor disputes historically the companies have been as quick to use violence as the workers.
I would never withhold my labor and still consider myself part of the company because I view property rights as more important that
working conditions. Even when the "owner" is a corperation and not and individual.
I have been an owner - a stockholder - and a laborer for others. I view my rights as an owner as more important to me in the long range than as a worker. Now if they tell me I can not quit then they will have a problem because that is slavery an I will resort to terror or what ever it takes to escape slavery.
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femme
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posted on March 14, 2001 09:15:17 AM
Everytime I hear someone moaning about the pay scale of union workers, it always sounds like sour grapes to me.
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C'mon guys. Give Bush a break. Afer all, he has his legacy to think about. To his ears, Bush International has a much better ring to it than Dulles International.
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 09:26:57 AM
femme and stockticker
I'm leaving to let these boys discuss the
value of labor unions. Most are clearly
"agin" it and one appears to be sitting on
the fence in a rather weird fashion.
Helen
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dubyasdaman
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posted on March 14, 2001 10:05:34 AM
HJW:
You seem to have difficulty reading.
Many of your posts simply do not make sense. I'm truly interested in learning what the logical basis of your statements are since they seem to:
1) Have no relevance to the thread in which they're written.
OR
2) Make no logical point whatsoever in the context of ANY thread. If you're going to make a nonsense statement, at least give us some indication of why it's being made, otherwise your point is wasted.
Surely I'm not the only one here who is interested in what you have to say. But when all we see is nonsense we miss the benefit of your true meaning, and that would be a shame for all.
[ edited by dubyasdaman on Mar 14, 2001 10:06 AM ]
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HJW
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posted on March 14, 2001 10:52:03 AM
dumyadamon
scrabblegod said, ""Unions are the best example of internal terrorist."
I responded with what I believe,
""If you want to find an internal terrorist,just go to the White House."
In my opinion, the biggest threat to
America is in the White House.
If you can't understand that, then there
is no hope.
By the Way,
Did my boy get off the fence? He might
just injure his groin worse than with the
kick that Borillar suggested in the title
to this thread.
Helen
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sgtmike
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posted on March 14, 2001 10:54:35 AM
HJW
Sorry, I will admit to being bewildered and, therefore, cannot suitably respond to your statement you directed to me,
" I noticed that you had no comment on the statement by scrabblegod when he stated that 'Unions are the best example of internal terrorist.' "
I do not understand why it is an issue, with you, that I responded to your statement,
"If you want to find an INTERNAL TERRORIST, just go to the WHITE HOUSE, "
and not to "scrabblegod's" statement,
"UNIONS are the best example of INTERNAL TERRORIST."
Also, "scrabblegod" appears to be pro-Bush. Therefore, anything that "scrabblegod" (presently) says, is accurate although I might disagree. 
[ edited by sgtmike on Mar 14, 2001 11:01 AM ]
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