posted on November 25, 2001 12:47:47 PM new
WHY BIDVILLE?
I buy and sell items on online auctions because I enjoy collectables. I don`t do it because I enjoy hopping around from site to site, having to remember different passwords and different setups and regimes to post and tend to my auctions. I try to keep it simple. I don`t want my steady customers to have to look all over the web to find my items and have to put up with different protocols on each site. In short, Keep It Simple Stupid!
Since I joined Bidville I have seen many changes, all of them have improved the site, and each one has made it easier for me to list and sell my items. I don`t think Bidville is perfect, neither is the rest of the world. The management at Bidville has always been willing to listen to suggestions from members and though not all of them are implemented, there does seem to be a willingness to understand the underlying problem or reason for the suggestion. While Bidville does run the site, and retains the right to control the technical parameters, I think it is the members there that make the site. From what I have seen, Management has always kept this in mind. Not every decision has been immediately popular, but whenever changes are made, people seem to get used to them quickly and if there are continuing problems, modification has followed to correct them.
Bidville is one of the easiest sites to use, and the community is always there to try and help newcomers with questions. I look forward to seeing Bidville continue to grow as a great place for buyers and sellers alike. This does not mean that the number of auctions listed there has to continually expand, there are other ways of defining growth, and I think Bidville fills that bill.
posted on November 25, 2001 11:27:38 PM new
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I think it is the members there that make the site
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And I have come to the following opinion ONLY from reading the boards there and seeing listings of peoples families and pets, etc., and NOT from reading anyone else's posts here (didn't even know Bidville was discussed here until lately):
The statement quoted above is exactly why I have chosen to stay away from that site (Bidville) - what a bizarre bunch of people. I quit my membership there as the whole atmosphere there is clannish (and not in a good way - hard to describe better than that) - a real us/them lowbrow atmosphere which is very, very odd.
Edited to say - Barncards1, you are probably a good guy at heart, but seriously, the Bidville boards WILL BE the death of that site, there is no doubt in my mind about that. Everyone forgets that all, including new members, the public, etc. can read those boards - you have to remember it isn't just your little group! I have a sense that there is a small group - often referrred to as the "clique" - that really do need each other and would be lost without that social interaction - I propose a seperate, PRIVATE board off Bidville (you can set these up on Yahoo and MSN, to name just a couple) that is away from the public eye. Without that change, all will be lost there and you will end up with no boards once the place closes down anyway.
[ edited by oxford on Nov 25, 2001 11:48 PM ]
posted on November 26, 2001 05:09:15 AM new
I started lurking over at Bv after reading some posts here. Just curiosity. I wanted to see if they were as bad as everyone here says. This is what I have discovered about BV:
1-very friendly helpful members. They seem to genuinely care about each other and are very welcoming and helpful to newbies. If they talk about their kids and pets, so what? I see a lot of that here. Haven't seen an arrogant, holier than thous, don't question me type on there yet. (They're all at RT)
2-easy site to navigate and to use for bidding. Listing looks like it would be simple, as well.
3-I have made 2 dozen purchase since finding the site-not one problem. Items sent quickly, packed well, no outlandish handling fees or terms of service. These people seem to value their few customers and their excellent service will keep those buyers coming back.
My conclusions are that for some reason, the people at AW seem to have a vendetta going against BV. I don't know why, but your actions make you all look like the lowbrows in the fight. Why bash another group of people you don't even really know? Why try to hurt their business? Why call them names and ridicule them? They are just a group of people trying to do business and trying to support each other. I haven't seen anyone over there with horns, yet. You only demean yourselves.
And admit it-if Meg would let you tell her how to run Ebay, you'd be standing in line to give her instructions. You all complain all the time that she doesn't listen to you. Right or wrong, BV members do have a voice in what happens there, and if they make the wrong decisions, that doesn't make them stupid trailer trash.
posted on November 26, 2001 06:19:23 AM new
Bearmom -
How long have you been lurking there? You must not have read many of the threads that I have, where members turn on others outside of their circle of friends because a different opinion is voiced. We may be looking at the same threads and see very different things, which is possible. I came there with an open mind and no knowledge of what to expect - I formed my opinions from what I read there and saw happening.
I have absolutely nothing against "talking" about pets and families - it is the posting of their pics in lieu of a real auctions that diminishes the site in terms of professionalism. Listings are for the sale of goods, not a photo album of the gang. Also, putting up pictures of small children in a public forum just does not show much thought of their safety; just a really poor lack of judgement. I loose respect for those who have such poor judgement.
I absolutely disagree with you that the majority of the people that post dissenting views about Bidville at AW have a vendetta. I think perhaps a couple do, but the majority do not - AW just happens to be one of the few safe places to be able to voice other viewpoints. To do so on Bidville could lead to harassment by the "gang" and quick suspension by their "Prez", as I have seen happen many times over there.
If AW users (many current or former Bidville members themselves) could say what they needed to say about the site, even if it is negative, over at Bidville, they wouldn't be saying it here. It has nothing to do with this being AW, and everything to do with not being able to voice these opinions over there.
I know there are good sellers at Bidville - I have purchased there and have befriended one of the sellers that I purchased from. That seller does not frequent the soap-opera like boards of Bidville, however. I'm sure there are MANY GREAT sellers at Bidville. I don't have much against the site per say (although I WOULD like to see them upgrade the bulk lister and their useless 2000 character limit, as well as becoming more customer service oriented and more professionally run). What I truly don't like are the boards and a particular crew of posters that, quite frankly, make that site LOOK bad in many, many ways.
Try to hurt their business? They are doing that just fine on their own via the Bidville boards with their squabbles, name calling, vulgarities, poor judgement, and even poorer command of the English language, all of which makes the site look unprofessional and cliquish. The maturity level appears to be quite low among some of the most prominent posters. If they would only start trying to put their best foot forward on those boards, think before they type, use a spell checker etc., Bidville might ACTUALLY start getting the good buyers and sellers back. You've lost much of the cream of the crop and until things really change there (closing most of the boards would help - keep the Q & A open), Bidville will continue its downward slide.
You mention that they are trying to support each other; if done in a professional, seller to seller way, that can be great and beneficial; the way they support each other at Bidville creates an us/them situation and appears childish, clannish, cliquish and everything else negative. That group has in fact become TOO close on what is supposed to be a commercial site. It also causes their "view" to become very myopic.
Try to read some of the worst threads as if you were new to those boards, Bearmom, and didn't know the characters and their relationships at all. You went there after AW, so had some knowledge and pre-conceived ideas. Try to look at the postings there more objectively like a new member, and perhaps you will see some of what others see, those who have come to believe Bidville's message boards and some of their regular posters are injurious to that site.
I wish nothing but the best to all of the professionally minded and mannered sellers at Bidville; those sellers far outnumber the others that are oft discussed at AW.
posted on November 26, 2001 06:36:00 AM new
Nice post oxford
If AW users (many current or former Bidville members themselves) could say what they needed to say about the site, even if it is negative, over at Bidville, they wouldn't be saying it here
Right from Day 1 when I joined Bidville (back in January), I offered my advice on how to deal with the problem of bootlegs and fake items on auction venues. This was before the problem even had a chance to germinate at Bidville. I even offered to volunteer my time to help them find the bad listings using my 20 odd years of experience. I never received any response from Bidville management, and apart from one very prominent auctioneer who also understands the scope of the problem, all I received from the forum membership were flames and poorly spelled insults.
Now, of course, the problem of bootlegs and fakes has invaded Bidville and His lack of attention to this problem is simply sending a message that "anything goes on Bidville".
I know there are good sellers at Bidville
There are! Even though I can't place bids (since my banishment), I can still contact sellers. I have purchased dozens of great items from 1st class BV members during rhe past few months with absolutely no problems. It's interesting to note that none of these seller ID's appear on the forums. I hope they never do discover the forums as they will surely be corrupted, turned off, and leave the site ... I will lose a good source for good quality stuff at reasonable prices.
The solution to the problem that seems to plague Bidville is a simple and complete severing of all of their forums. Of course, BV management would have to come into the office one day and rewrite their policies and FAQ pages so new members would have a general idea of how the venue works, what's allowed and what isn't. Right now, that part of the venue too is in a state of chaos ... very unprofessional.
posted on November 26, 2001 06:48:55 AM new
Oxford....
You make my point I believe.
If you truly believe BV lacks the service and class you require then so be it. Question: why do you feel the need to bash the people and the place. It appears to me that any thinking person not directed by a hidden agenda would simply just go to the next site and then to the next site if necessary until they found one that they were comfortable with. But instead you have chosen to dinigrate, paint negative with a broad brush and in general comdemn. That says that you have become focused on hate and that your agenda is to intentionally do all the harm you can and hurt you can to the site and to the people.
posted on November 26, 2001 07:00:39 AM new
Sorry to burst your bubble, dreamgirl - I have absolutely no agenda to hurt the site. I enrolled with Bidville to list and make money; I feel that the boards are making this difficult to do as they are a big turnoff (for the reasons listed in my post above) to new members and have lead directly to the loss of many good buyers and sellers.
Posters here at AW that are talking about Bidville are not the ones hurting the site; a number of the message board posters at Bidville are, however. I'd like those message boards GONE along with the cliquish posters, so that site can get back to the business of becoming a professional auction site with a growing number of GOOD buyers and sellers. If I have any agenda, that would be it.
Re-read my post above, dreamgirl; to have reached the conclusion you did, you must not have read it very well.
posted on November 26, 2001 08:38:36 AM new
I have come to the conclusion that Bidville and the forums should stay JUST AS THEY ARE. (take that as you wish) The way I see it it’s better to have that group all in one neat little place. It would be really a sad situation if that (what ever you want to call it) spread to other auction sites where the people are helpful and friendly to all. Bidville is making it’s own bed and they can lay in it all the way to the end.
posted on November 26, 2001 08:51:37 AM new
I must say that the suggestion that a private message board offsite is an excellent one. That way Bidville could give the message board users a two week notice that the message center would be closed and the alternative site was available for members to use and a link on the FAQ to the new message site could be made available.
If the internet news article a while back that stated Mr. Orlando was planning to take his auction site public at some time is correct, then shutting down those very unproffesional message boards is indeed an absolute necessity.
After reading the suggestion here that everyone go to to Bidville and read the "Suzie Teacups in here ..." thread I did indeed do just that very thing. If I was the administer of the Bidville site I would have suspended the Dreamgirl user without the slightest twinge of regret. Pure hatred and a total lack of compassion or common sense was displayed by that user. To their good credit, several users tried in vain to dissuade the thread originator from her distructive course but she could not have nothing but train of thought to let her incredible rant of self-righteousnes.
posted on November 26, 2001 09:00:33 AM newIf the internet news article a while back that stated Mr. Orlando was planning to take his auction site public at some time is correct, then shutting down those very unproffesional message boards is indeed an absolute necessity
Using that logic, He should shutdown and rework the entire site before He tries to go public. The policies and FAQs are outdated, the search engine is useless, and there's 1000's of illegal items being listed that are all indicators of a very poorly designed and maintained venue.
I think the idea of providing an off-venue place for the inmates to talk it up is an excellent idea. I doubt if these people actually buy and sell on the venue anyway, and hiding them from public view could do wonders for Ed's PR.
posted on November 26, 2001 11:10:37 AM new
I have noted that several of you have found one of my post interesting and I've also noted that you have as usual painted with your broad brushes in trying to relate information.
Well, just so we can have a little contrast here and the viewers can actually see the post without going back and forth, I am posting another post I placed on BV boards the next day.
Just want to make it clear that I am a committee of ONE unlike the HATE GROUP that exists here. Enjoy please.
Bidvillle is a community of which I am very happy to be a member. I would truly not want to see BV become divided into this group or that and I think the Cafe and some of the "good times" we have there serves to keep us a whole community and not really the fractionated groups that some would like to see. I do have 3 cents worth of observations and personal experience testimony to express that has come from me being involved in our BV Community. And still, I wouldn`t want it any other way. Without these community boards, we are but waves in the ocean with no way to effect the change of tidal direction. I realize this is a lengthy post and I won`t be offended if you don`t wish to read it. I offer it as a means to vent a little and perhaps a means to give those who wish a little insight into the postives and negatives of community involvement.
Thankfully, there are many more BV members who see the need for the site to grow and understand that a community grows only through the work of it`s members. When you become involved in community work you take self out of the No. 1 spotlight and put community in the No. 1 spotlight. The two entities don`t have to be in opposition however. It simply means that you are viewing an issue based on what is best for the whole and not the piece alone.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose and sometimes there is not winner/looser. If you have community in mind, you don`t pick up your dollys and go away mad seeking vengence on whomever you preceived that wronged you. Not if you are a real player in the community.
Some people have taken their belongings and moved to another venue. Nothing wrong with that at all if it`s the best thing for them. Some people have been asked to leave this commumity with "NO" not being an option.
These two groups of former BVers and a few current BVers like to meet and talk about BV elsewhere. That in itself is not wrong. But when that group`s focus becomes only to bash and destroy and create personal problems for people that they preceive as having wronged them, then that becomes a "hate" group and we`ve seen the what can happen when "hate" becomes the focus.
Last nite, some people "hated" me enough to place my email address on numerous pornographic mailing lists and a variety of other lists. Now that`s going beyond a disagreeable discussion thread. I wonder how far their hate will take them. People can be totally consumed by hate you know. Not over night, but over time.
Some will say that they only participate at the gang meetings by honestly wanting to discuss problems at BV. Fine I say it is your right to do so. But you have had ample time to become aware that those particular groups you are paling around with have only one mission in mind and it isn`t correcting the preceived problems at BV. I have now on two occassions been recepient of overt actions of hate stemming from person(s) unknown. This can only come from these groups and my refusal to accept behavior unbecoming a human being or an issue I might have with one of their fair haired mascots.
I try to align myself with people who I preceive to be honest, non-selfcentered, and positive. People who will allow me to disagree with them on occassion and not take it as an assault on their person. People who appear to be seeking higher ground and not depths unknown.
I write not to confront anyone. I write to remind anyone interested that throughout history, man has been judged by the company they keep. I know full well that as long as we are shrouded in this human veil, we well on occassion "fall". But that should not deter or stop our efforts to seek Higher Ground in whatever endeavor we find ourselves.
posted on November 26, 2001 11:58:03 AM newThankfully, there are many more BV members who see the need for the site to grow and understand that a community grows only through the work of it`s members
Those would be the good people who don't play on the forums - the type who I have been happily buying items directly from. If they find out about these forums, I'd be willing to bet that some of them would leave the venue immediately when they find out who their "brothers and sisters" are, that is, the type of people who represent the community when decisions are made that affect the entire community. I could probably prove this by contacting the last dozen or so Bidvillers who I have purchased from. They're not all that happy with low sales to start with, and would probably bolt to Carnaby in a second if the suggestion was made.
Last nite, some people "hated" me enough to place my email address on numerous pornographic mailing lists and a variety of other lists
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger Your partners in the forums did the exact same thing to me when it was "my turn in the gauntlet" a few months ago. Good thing I used a hotmail account to register. I check that account every now and then just to keep it active, and the junk folder is usually loaded with smut that has been directed to me by certain BV community members.
Heck, even the Prez was peddling porn via pop-ups until I raised a stink (which led to my banishment btw).
It's a mystery to me why anyone would want to read those forums ... they're not even amusing like they were in the beginning. The longer He allows His followers to represent His venue, the further down the tubes it's going to go.
posted on November 26, 2001 12:46:03 PM new
Dreamgirl said " sometimes you loose and sometimes there is not winner/looser"
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Assuming loose means LOSE I think I will add it to the Bidville dicksunary.<br />
I also have to figure out what Dreamgirl meant by the word "preceived"
[ edited by holysmokes on Nov 26, 2001 12:47 PM ]
posted on November 26, 2001 02:50:11 PM newRB:...If I read you right
You don't, sorry ...
you feel you must participate on the boards even though you hate them
I participate on the AW boards because I enjoy (most of) the conversation and because the general level of intelligence here is greater than most other forums.
I do not participate on the BV boards because the general level of intelligence there is about equal to a street car. As a matter of fact, I don't visit them at all, ever.
posted on November 26, 2001 03:35:07 PM new
Let's see RB.....you don't' read BV boards anymore but you know the people's intellegience level there it about that or less than that of a streetcar? Hmmmmm
And......you enjoy AW because you like what these folks have to say???? Hmmmmm they never say anything different so I guess that would be easily understood.
posted on November 26, 2001 03:40:03 PM new
Since it doesn't seem to matter what gets posted here... here are Dreangirls nasty posts on the Suzie Teaccups In here Please thread on BV ( note short time intervals )
No emails and Suzie was at church. This has to be the all-time most vindictive woman on the planet
Posted 11/23/2001 8:12:48 PM
---------------------------------------------I have been asked if I was receiving money for listing on your Online Payments List. The person said there were pop-up ads on that list. I went there and there are indeed pop-up ads. I saw 2. There may be more. They do come and go.
The point is I want my named removed immediately. It is evident to me that apparantly you have used my information for monetary gain from these ads without my permission. I am concerned that indeed placement on this list may have been why I am suddenly on every spam list there is. Did you sell the email addresses too?
I don`t wish to participate any longer. Remove my name immediately.
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Posted 11/23/2001 8:56:25 PM
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just bumping waiting to hear from Suzi confirming my request has been completed.
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Posted 11/23/2001 9:15:59 PM
Wallypog, with all due respect, I`m waiting to be removed from that list regardless. This is between me and her and any other member who might be concerned.
Ask her for the URL please. I`m sure she`ll provide it.
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Posted 11/23/2001 9:32:06 PM
Oh Suzi. I`m still waiting on you to let me know that you`ve taken care of this simple request of mine. I would like for you to take care of it before too many people get involved with this post. Shame on you for letting this slide.
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Posted 11/23/2001 10:31:35 PM
Just bumping this looking for Suzi. I know she`s reading the boards because she said so. Wonder why she won`t take care of this request. I don`t want to be involved condsidering the appearance.
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Posted 11/23/2001 11:13:08 PM
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To any and all people interested in this thread, please note that my request has been to Ms.S-Teacups to remove me from this list. This list was solicited on these boards. I only state MY concerns, MY feelings, and MY requests. So far the originator of this list has not responded to me regarding this request. I do not wish to engage in a discussion regarding this request with anyone including the originator. I only want my name removed from that bloody list. To all well meaning people, please allow Ms. Teacups the opportunity to resolve this request. I don`t really appreciate any form of intimidation.
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Posted 11/23/2001 11:20:16 PM
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Suzi I appreciate you coming to the board. Now when are you going to remove me off that list? I don`t care who owns what. I want off that list precious.
Posted 11/23/2001 11:31:34 PM
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Suzi....
You also state on the page that you will let us know who is going to "take it over". You mentioned you are trying to get Kodi to do it and you will let us know. Well, I`ve not received any information regarding the completion of your negotiations with Kodi. Is she now the one who is maintaining this list?? Who is handling it? I`ll be happy to contact the new "administrator" but I have to know who that is. Until then, I am expecting YOU to remove me from that list. And I hope it can be done in a professional way without furhter unprofessional remarks regarding past history.
Thank you for the courtesy of granting my request to remove me from that list.
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Posted 11/23/2001 11:35:40 PM
---------------------------------------------Excuse me, I was writing as you were posting. So if I hear you right this list is just "hanging out there" in cyberland without anyone responsible for it. And there is nothing that can be done about it. My name and my business information remains there forever whether it continues to be right or not because you abandoned it? This story continues to amaze me.
posted on November 26, 2001 04:05:08 PM new
Why didn't you post all of my statements in that thread Jimtaxi? As usual and very predictable you, remain sad.
posted on November 26, 2001 04:06:13 PM newLet's see RB.....you don't' read BV boards anymore but you know the people's intellegience level there it about that or less than that of a streetcar?
Well, it certainly was when I did post there, and judging by the stuff that is starting to ooze out of Bidville into AW, it hasn't improved.
Someday let's talk about your hidden agenda
Whenever you're ready (you start 'cause I'm not sure what my "hidden agenda" is), but be aware that I don't quit, and I am a lot smarter than the average bear ... I'm not your typical Bidville hick who can be intimidated by a few big words or feeble threats.
posted on November 26, 2001 04:10:41 PM new
RB.....I'll take you up on that one day...Meanwhile, I'll give you a hint. You exposed yourself in one of your earlier posts.
posted on November 26, 2001 04:42:34 PM newRB.....I'll take you up on that one day
Bwak bwak bwak (I think that's how a chicken sounds!)
More BS talk that can't be backed up eh? It's like the poor rookie traffic cop who stands in the middle of a busy road and yells out: "Stop, Stop in the name of .... aw, keep going 'til I think of something."
posted on November 26, 2001 05:40:49 PM new
Guys don't let dreamgirl get to you. You know how every trailer park has trailer park girls. Maybe her use of the word loose was a hint.
posted on November 26, 2001 06:43:07 PM new
Hey Wallypog they are talking about trailer parks again and implying their usual smutty implications. But then Holysmokes is one of those with an obvious limited frame of reference. Rarely expands his scope of reference.
posted on November 26, 2001 07:06:30 PM new
You know it just amazes the $h!t out of me, that Bidville is so important on these boards. Opinions is welcome, but they are also a dime a dozen. Sure! Many here hate Bidville and anything associated with it. Cool! I see nothing wrong with it. You guys hate the joint, and I like the joint. Why isn't a medium formed. You guys come over and get the scoop there, then crack the egg open here. Bidviller's does the same. Horse feathers! Isn't there anything better to talk about? I would like to come to Auction Watch just one time, and not see the Bidville hatred. It is like a little war between the message boards. You don't think that people reading the $h!t on these boards don't get just as offended as reading the Bidville boards? If not I think maybe a splash of cold water is greatly needed. I won't say that Bidville is the best auction site in the world. Far from it. But! It meets my needs. You guys definately run a rugged ship over here. A person kind of has to have a Teflon Coating to come over here and not get offended. It doesn't offend me that you dog Bidville continually. It just tires me. Who cares about pets at Bidville? Really! I got a new weiner dog named Shorty. If you guys get offended at reading about Shorty. I would suggest maybe some Paxil. Although I prefer Prozac. Geesh! What the hell is the world coming to? The Most Notorious Hillbilly
Always Unedited, Cause I don't care.
posted on November 26, 2001 07:29:54 PM new
Hillbilly -
is the pet reference regarding my post here? If so, please read it again. I love pets as well as the next person - I have many pets that I love dearly, and I certainly don't mind reading about others pets (including your weiner dog) on any forum that is just for chitchat. It was the unprofessionalism shown by the creation of auction listings for pets and family pictures that concerns me in the quest of creating a professional auction site that attracts good buyers and sellers.
I hope that clarifies things.
(P.S. I prefer paxil; then again, I haven't tried prozak (yet) )
[ edited by oxford on Nov 26, 2001 07:31 PM ]
posted on November 26, 2001 07:43:44 PM new
Hillbilly
YOU CAME HERE TO POST!!!!!!
I am very amazed that you are associating with those idiots.
Ya know Hillbilly I never had anything against you or JB. It seem to me that maybe BV should be taken over by card fans. As a niche site, too hell with the rest of the crap AND OPINIONS.
