bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 09:37:37 AM new
There is a thread in the BV auctions [b'Bidville Auctions[/b] message center with that title.
http://www.bidville.com/community/messages/thread.asp?thread=218860&forum=100
********* viewable url only if you take the time to register at BV *********
Wasn't most of the idea of site user verification to rid the site of these bad buyers that cause mischief and mayhem for the hard working BV sellers?
It's not working very well other than making BV a few hundred dollars a month to keep the lone employee off the food stamps program. 
Got to dust off a few lawnchairs and fetch the frosty Canadian beer.
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reality1
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posted on May 28, 2002 09:50:22 AM new
Hey bidsbids
I thought you had to not only register but shell out 5 bucks to be able to view the forums?
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jimhhow
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posted on May 28, 2002 10:01:52 AM new
#1, you don't have to be verified to read the boards, just registered. You have to be verified to post. As far as I understand.
#2, yes about the verification system, one of the purposes was intended to assist sellers to protect themselves against Non Paying bidders.
The problem is to do that, a seller has to refuse to sell to unverified members, then trolls, such as yourself jump to the other side of the street and berate the seller.
Nice to be able to play two sides of a field, isn't it?
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 10:46:35 AM new
BV set itself up for this situation. People will always be people in that they can be capricious and bid on a number of items on impulse then say "I shouldn't have done that" along with "it's only Bidville and the sellers paid very little and will be out very little if I renege" ( only out non-refundable feature and gallery fees and relisting time spent).
BV gave itself an out by letting the sellers filter out the unverified buyers. But if that option were used by all sellers there would be no new bidders unless they paid a $5 annual verification fee simply to shop. That dilema leaves the BV sellers will a "take the bad with the good" situation but instead many ripped-off sellers bring there numerous accounts of deadbeat bidders to the BV message boards. The BV sellers must learn to either eat a few bad bidders and live with it or leave the site. Numerous posts about bad bidders only harms BV. ( another good reason to not have message boards on auction sites ).
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jimhhow
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posted on May 28, 2002 11:10:09 AM new
I agree with you that you have NPB's on any site, it is a fact opf life, unfortunately. However your post seemed directed at one aspect of verification.
Verification also helps protect the seller to the point that thye can be sure thye are dealing with a person who has at leats verified their address through the CC. If ripped off, the buyer then has a slightly beter chance of chasing the con man, or woman, if that is what they choose to do.
Also, since the verification, there has been FAR LESS disruption on the boards. Last year people were coming to Bidville for the sole purpose of starting really nast disruptions on the board. Now, if thye pay to be verified, and lose their priviliges at BV, then at least it cost them the $5.00 to do so.
Sure they can always get another CC, and IP to come back and continue, but it will cost them again.
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 11:22:31 AM new
As a side note:
Some BV sellers have a great stake in not allowing any talk of FVF fees ever catching on at BV.
( from a certain you-know-where source )
**** I would much rather pay the monthly membership fee, than any listing fee, or FvF.
And don`t kid yourself. Any time you let a site know that it is okay to charge you a FvF, Listing fees are right around the corner. It is just a logical progression. ****
Most sellers plod along and list 100 items a month and sell one item per one hundred listed per month. A FVF wouldn't hurt these sellers too bad ( there could never, ever be ANY listing fees at sites like BV ). But if a seller used the exclusive BV 30 day listing feature and had a steady clientele of regular buyers carefully cultivated over time and sold almost every item listed on BV at an attractive and sometimes hefty prices then that seller would be greatly hurt by any FVF fees far beyond the membership fees he pays to BV ( and uses those fees to future promote his own auctions ).
I've been watching the TV show Law and Order a lot lately and ...
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury I say that this seller that is so deathly afraid of reform and change at BV in the form of needed FVFs is only thinking of his own selfish best interests and not those of all BV sellers! I ask the jury to sentence this seller to a five year term of selling on Carnaby!
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 11:36:10 AM new
I must have posted my last post the same time you posted your last post. In response to your last post ( I told you I was watching a lot of Law & Order on TV ) the verification system was never intended to solely prevent deadbeats. It was mainly enacted because of all the scam artists that had come to BV to rip of the gentle citizenery of the site with 'PS2 Play Station auctions for $49' ads.
( and clean the boards of some disruptive opinions ). The registration process was suppose to limit the number of deadbeats and limit them and the damage they could do until they achieved a very minimal feedback rating.
The registration process is a joke as there are over 1,000 free email services that BV will let any user register with and submit phony street addresses/PO boxes info. As a result, BV limits the amount of bidding that any new bidder can do and that very system may thwart many new honest bidders from bidding at the site as that is a very unique online auction situation and may make many new bidders feel like they are not trusted at all.
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reality1
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posted on May 28, 2002 12:21:34 PM new
Hap
If I remember correctly it was YOU that told another BV seller that they could use my AW image hosting account without my knowledge or permission. And that seller use it on over a thousand listings not only at Bidville but at Yahoo also. AND YOU CALL ME A TROLL.
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barncards1
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posted on May 28, 2002 03:49:22 PM new
heheheheheh
Now I remember that one:}:} poor Rosie was redoing auctions for a long time and you even put another JPG in place of it... nasty one too.
JB:}
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 04:30:20 PM new
Then you could say reality1 was sort of a victum of 'HapNstance' ? Shame on you JimHow.
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reality1
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posted on May 28, 2002 04:56:54 PM new
ROFLMAO
"a victum of 'HapNstance"
Thanks for the laugh bidsbids
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jimhhow
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posted on May 28, 2002 05:48:50 PM new
Glen, you are correct. That was my impression. I had asked you if I could use it. Maybe I misread your response, But I was under the impression at the time that you did not mind if people used it. Otherwise, I never would have told any other seller they could use it.
I believe that what I told the other seller was that you did not mind if others used it. I also believe I suggested emailing you, or otherwise contacting you, but perhaps not strongly enough.
My mistake, I guess. I am sorry if it caused you any embarrasment, and likewise regret any embarrasment it caused the other seller.
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jimhhow
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posted on May 28, 2002 05:53:02 PM new
Bids,
QOUTE: "( and clean the boards of some disruptive opinions )"
That is a mistatement, it was not " disruptive OPINIONS", rather posts that were filled with vulgarities directed at BV members. One in particular poster kept coming back for days with different ID's almost all of them were variations of "NUTMEGSHOPS" or something like that.
I do have the list of ID's around somewhere if you like?
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kodiheglin
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posted on May 28, 2002 05:59:41 PM new
" Numerous posts about bad bidders only harms BV. ( another good reason to not have message boards on auction sites )."
I reckon I'd have to agree with that.
bidsbids, you're only supposed to bring chairs TO a fight, not bring em then start em.LOL
(That's Hillbilly ettiquette Rule 10)
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reality1
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posted on May 28, 2002 06:09:07 PM new
Hap
I told you YOU could use the graphic(GIF) nobody else. And I said nothing about linking to my account. You took it upon yourself to tell others “go ahead us it”
Embarrasment nothing your antics cost me money due to the volume of traffic AW increased my image hosting cost.
And you and others wonder why bidville and it's clique disgusts me. The writing is on the wall.
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 07:38:59 PM new
Hap, Bryan ( he HAS to be the only employee left at BV ) could have easily suspended the Nutmegshops user(s) and blocked his ISP. Instead, they used those opprotunities to extract $5/head from the free-loading BV populace. There were many posters that had opinions that were not in line with the Communist, er rather I mean, hardline BV line. Those posters were purged by the $5 verification fee because BV isn't worth $5 to voice an opinion that differs from the party line. Bryan probably got tired of blocking tons of ISPs and even that didn't work very well as members have work computers, friends computers, libraries, etc. not to mention ISP shielding free services.
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jimhhow
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posted on May 28, 2002 08:28:54 PM new
Really? and how much did it cost you, Glen?
BIDS - you may be correct about Bryan constantly blocking the ISP's. It may have taken a lot of time. I don't know for sure.
However, at that point it would become an added burden and possibly expense. What would the options be at that point?
Either hire someone to constantly block the ISP's or come up with another method of instituting some control. Either way is bound to be an expense. I don't think the $5.00 verification is a horrible way to go. It is cheap, and eliminates a lot of the problems.
For $5.00, a seller can post auctions all year. If one of the monthly memberships is elected, then there is no verification fee.
As far as FVF's go, I am against them, they are the supposed solution for someone without the ability, or the ambition to sell.
Some have called Bidville a warehouse, FVF's would make it even more so.
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reality1
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posted on May 28, 2002 08:56:03 PM new
"Really? and how much did it cost you, Glen?
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You sound like you are concerned about it Hap. I'll tell you this much Hap I'm no longer using this image hosting any longer because of the radical rate increase because of all those auctions rosie linked to my account. If I could calulate the exact amount what would you do about it anyway.
Have a good laugh?
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 28, 2002 09:03:00 PM new
There is a loser over at BV stating that they have had 3-4 deadbeats in 6-8 months. And seems to think that this is not bad. I haven't had that many over at Yahoo in 2 years and about that many at ebay in a year. I don't know what that guy is smoking, but he should pass it around. As an after thought, this person's id says it all. A loser card seller.
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caffeitalia
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posted on May 28, 2002 09:10:11 PM new
Here is another deadbeat thread from loserville.
http://www.bidville.com/community/messages/thread.asp?thread=209066&forum=100
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bidsbids
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posted on May 28, 2002 09:17:46 PM new
As far as FVF's go, I am against them, they are the supposed solution for someone without the ability, or the ambition to sell.
Some have called Bidville a warehouse, FVF's would make it even more so
So anyone that supports a FVF at BV is without the ability, or the ambition to sell
I've got news for you Hap, most sellers do not mind a small surtax on sold items if at least part of that charge were to go towards some site promotion. ( that will never happen because the site is barely maintaining its own survival ) Even the site founder has moved to Michigan and is apparently trying to forget his latest cyber website failure. BV is spinning its wheels and going nowhere.
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posted on May 28, 2002 11:44:57 PM new
I think Labor is cheaper our there in Michigan and as for Brian TNA uses the same software BV does and one of the sales men's name is Brian. So it is a commond name for any site to have they could have just used Admin as far as it goes.
So lets just stop the harping on Poor ol Hap OK:}
You gave your permishion to use the no paypal I read it after Hap told everyone and If I remember you even said it was OK....
Hap he most likly had to pay them 30 bucks or so it's not cheap I think at the time AW was charging .
10 per: and I had alway felt I should have sent
Glen a few bucks Just cause I like Rosie.
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kodiheglin
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posted on May 29, 2002 12:52:16 AM new
Yahoo is knee deep in NPB's.LOL
Send me a PayPal bill reality, I'll pay for Rosies bill. She's cool people, she would never have done anything to hurt you..I am quite sure it was a case of crossed signals.
You guys can sit here and gripe at HAP, me or any other BV'er about FVF's all day..it doesn't change anything. BV will do what BV will do, we just ride the wave like everyone else. Personally, a small FVF would not bother me..but most people don't like the idea. Anytime you mention more fee's, naturally people get their hackles up.
Talk to Card Trader, he claims to be responsible for everything that has ever happened good OR bad at BidVille.
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reality1
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posted on May 29, 2002 07:09:40 AM new
Kodi
"Send me a PayPal bill reality"
Real funny Kodi seeing this about a NO PAYPAL gif. 
JB Yes I told Hap HE could use the gif. I NEVER said everybody at bidville could use it and you saying that I did is a flat out lie.
Lets put it this way. If you borrow a neighbors lawn mower do you give it to everbody else on the block to use without asking first.
BTW: JB you did the right thing. You downloaded the gif to your domain you didn't just ASSume it was a free-for-all. So my gripe is not with you (or Kodi).
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kodiheglin
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posted on May 29, 2002 08:36:47 AM new
Oh God.LOL See I was so tired when I came in. (doh)
Just insert Pay Direct in its place, it was a slip o the lip 
I only vaguely remember something about the no PayPal GIF conversation a loooong time ago. Obviously I use it so don't pay much attention.
Ok I'm gettin outta here, sorry about the blonde moment
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bidsbids
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posted on May 29, 2002 09:46:23 AM new
There were a couple of threads on the eBay Outlook forum here at AW about auction sellers stealing the AW hosted links and their accounts getting hit a dime an auction. The threads also said that AW usually refunded the money, but those refunds may have been only for real auctions like eBay. I can't understand why the image wasn't placed on a free hosting service in the first place.
Kodi, you're a bit of a parka'ed hypocrite when it comes to people using your images hosted on your Alaskan website. I remember you getting a little ruffled over at Moo about a link posted to your bunny image for the bidsy BV sale. You spoke of limited bandwith or something and were quite upset. If Glen got stuck for the AW bill he had a right to feel like he was hit with a moose patty too. ( do you see the lighthearted Last Frontier State theme in the thread )
Aloha
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kodiheglin
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posted on May 29, 2002 10:30:58 AM new
Hmm no I don't recall. I am hosting several graphics right now for BidVille.
I do recall getting mad at sketer when she linked to my avatar.
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dreamgirl
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posted on May 29, 2002 01:22:58 PM new
The topic is NPB at BV. All sites have these sorts of low lifes and they all handle them in certain ways. Yahoo always has and always (numbered days I think) will have them. The best thing they did was provide to an email addie of the 2nd place bidder if you had one. I wish BV would do that too as more and more items are getting multiple bids since we've grown so much.
Anyway, Bidville did institute the verification fee in a hopes of "cleaning out" some of the trash. While that certainly isn't a solve all, end all solution, it did accomplish one very nice thing. That was to limit the number of trolls on our boards. Since you all like to brag about not spending $5.00 to be able to post at BV any longer, we've noticed the change in the quality of posts appearing there now. Occassionally we have to endure the on-slaught of a spend-thrift troll who springs for the money and comes riding through leaving "messages" everywhere. They are quiet boring.
FVF, listing fees, all are designed to do one thing. To earn the site guaranteed amounts of money for specific activities. They are not user friendly (buyer or seller) one iota. A seller has no way of projecting monthly/annual expenses under these principles. It's a bookkeeping nightmare.
If I was a merchant in the real world I would expect to pay a set rate rent for a space in which to do business. I could live with a monthly set rate fee to do business. Beyond that, I consider any fees totally unethical and non-business friendly.
eBay was the first really successful on-line auction site. People will still go there when exploring auctions for the first time. But anyone who enjoys buying and selling in this genre will soon discover that there are other more user friendly sites to use such as BV, and if they are willing to work at their business they will move to the more friendly enviornments and grow their business successfully.
If BV continues to grow as it has, we must be prepared for increased expenses of one kind or another. While they promised no listing fees, they never said NO RENT. (You know we've been taught to think about what "is" is.) I see that as a big possibility in the future but only when BV will be able to sustain the Customer Service that might be needed and when they have developed some of the more desireable and needed things for the site.
Won't you all be thrilled when the next "pay" plan comes down. You'll have new fodder to chew on. Many who understand the nature of business know that free enterprise does not mean no expenses.
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posted on May 29, 2002 02:07:28 PM new
eBay was the first really successful on-line auction site. People will still go there when exploring auctions for the first time.
What drug are you on?
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bidsbids
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posted on May 29, 2002 02:13:54 PM new
Pretty selective memory there Kodi. It was the BV sale banner with the bunny on it, Patty was curious what the bunny looked like that Dimview was fixiated on. You got very mad that everyone that clicked on the link cost you bandwith on your site. It was okay for Glen get dinged with actual charges though? Maybe you'll remember sometime.
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