mivona
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posted on January 27, 2001 02:07:50 PM new
It has been reported to Ebay - as I tried, and it had already been done. I have also invited the seller here.
Quick! delete the reference before the thread gets locked!
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eyehateboxsellers
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posted on January 27, 2001 02:14:45 PM new
I have notified all the high bidders in these box auctions (at least the ones that I have found) and told them exactly what they have bid on. The responses I got back have been ones of graditude (sp?) that someone has stepped in to warn them and thanking me (AND the others that have warned them) because they did not know they were bidding on boxes. One email I got said they had received 7 emails from concerned people telling them about the auction) All the bidders have been invited here. I would love to hear their take on things.
Not everyone looks away and steps over the bodies.
Moderator: Please delete this ID, thank you
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eyehateboxsellers
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posted on January 27, 2001 02:18:05 PM new
Oxford: Consider them notified!
Now delete this id
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dennis1001
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posted on January 27, 2001 02:42:39 PM new
Oops, didn't know that was no-no. uh... how do I edit this thing (he asks, just to make sure everyone knows he's a newbie)
** Never mind, I found it - just to blasted simple for me, I was looking everywhere else **
[ edited by dennis1001 on Jan 27, 2001 02:46 PM ]
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cmbtboots
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posted on January 27, 2001 04:42:33 PM new
Box seller has ended his auction early with a twenty dollar bid on the box and listed another playstation box for sell. This time the generous SOB has added a "free controller" with the box.
However, this time it is listed as a private auction and the bidders identies are protected.
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smoothauction
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posted on January 27, 2001 05:33:24 PM new
The title of the auction should be "Original Box FOR Playstation 2" and in his description he should have given a caveat emptor such as "This auction is just for an empty box and NOT the Playstation 2."
But hey, what were those 39 bidders thinking? Didn't any of them bother to email the seller to clarify the description beforehand? Yes, the seller did something wrong, but the bidders should have used a little common sense and asked a question beforehand.
I mean "HELLO!" When I see that the shipping is free, the seller has 3 feedbacks and no mention that there is a unit in the auction the red flags should have flown up. A little dumb on the bidder's part, I think.
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Zazzie
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posted on January 27, 2001 05:56:08 PM new
where are all those phoney Playstaion bidders when you need them?? This guy needs a $2000.00 bid from a 1 second sniper .
Smoothauction---I guess people are not as perfect as you are
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dennis1001
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posted on January 27, 2001 06:59:51 PM new
How do you see a private auction?
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cmbtboots
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posted on January 27, 2001 07:38:01 PM new
You can't, unfortunatly their identities are hidden. Smart move by the seller though.
Only hope is that ebay pull their heads out and realizes the fraud that is being committed by these jerks.
Like Zazzie said were are those fake id bidders when ya need em?
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mzalez
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posted on January 27, 2001 08:03:22 PM new
nanastuff, kudos to you for being a good citizen and getting the scammer's auction closed.
abacaxi, kudos for you for rescuing children from abuse and neglect.
Wish there were more gutsy people like you!
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triplesnack
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posted on January 27, 2001 08:28:40 PM new
On a private auction, would the "place a bid then retract it" tactic work? Would the retraction and reason/warning show up when one clicked on the bidding history?
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mattmon
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:13:27 PM new
I am the seller that all of you refer to as the SOB. My email box is flooded with emails. All of them are most of you 'netcops' who believe that it is your duty to sniff out everything that you dont approve of. For all of your information, I was not scamming anybody, I started all of my auctions at less than a dollar, which I believe is a fair price for a box (don't you?) My first auction which unfortunatley I had no choice but to end because of all of the nasty emails I recieved and all of the comments posted on the auction page, was actually for a real tangible PS2 inside a retail box. That was stated after one of you retract you bid deeming me a thief. The auction I just ended was also for a real PS2 I just did not state it that way, I admit that was my fault. I have been unable to respond to all the people who have asked me questions about the system because my inbox was flooded with threateniung emails. Also whoever bid $1200 on my last auction will be expected to pay as bidding on ebay is a binding legal contract, and I will take the neccisary legal route required for such action. I have been called a thief and a fruad on a worldwide website, my reputation is now ruined, to all of you who helped in this... I ask you one question, What exactly have I done wrong?
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Zazzie
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:20:00 PM new
well you could start by saying in PLAIN English exactly what you are selling---if there is a system--then say so--if it is just a box--then say that
simple but effective---noone will mis-understand and bid more than it is worth--you'll be happy, the buyer will be happy.
Is that really so much to ask????
edited cause I can
[ edited by Zazzie on Jan 27, 2001 09:22 PM ]
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mattmon
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:30:52 PM new
Does a simple mistake like that warrant every polically correct soccermom netcop in the world to ruin my ebay reputation though?
Maybe that could have been brought to my attention before you email bidders claiming that i'm a thief. You shoulld have come to me to find out what the problem was, rather than just assume.
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Zazzie
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:36:39 PM new
Oh I bet a few soccerdads got into the fray.
File for Fees with Ebay--and relist the blasted thing---just don't forget the comma.
Playstation 2, Original Box, extras.
But spend some time reading this thread and you will see that empty boxes have been sold--one for $400.00.
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only4luca
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:43:41 PM new
Ok guys thx a lot....due to the idiot,sorry I can't call him anything else I got a lot of emails to reply to now sayin that it's NOT an empty box...Ok,so I agree that the auction title is misleading...BUT it's not an "empty box"....it's a PS2 sealed in the box...So I dunno what a moderator stands for around this parts but due to the harm a few idiots can cause I suggest he can at least notify me about this....
Thx 4 nothin'
Luca
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LindaAW
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posted on January 27, 2001 09:59:14 PM new
Everyone,
I know you are familiar with the CG's in relation to posting auction ID's or numbers.
If you wish to pass this information to another person, please take it to e-mail.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Linda
Moderator
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only4luca
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posted on January 27, 2001 10:10:43 PM new
So here's my ebay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1210437610
I got 1 retract and a lot of emails today every1 saying that they found out on this thread that my auction is a scum,calling me being a thief and so on...so once again it's not an empty box it's a PS2 inside the box....so surprise...the box is NOT empty anymore....
Luca.
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dennis1001
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posted on January 27, 2001 10:30:13 PM new
Luca,
I think your auction looks fine. I think better wording and possible pix might put more $ in your pocket, but that's your problem. BUT do a search for the keywords playstation 2 box. Look at the auctions ending February 2 (MOD can I say that?) and see if you don't see at least one that looks very suspicious. Go back to the start of the thread and see where some joker sold a PS2 box for $400. Many of these people make their living selling on eBay. Their livelihood depends on buyers, and especially new buyers, being comfortable and feeling safe while bidding on eBay auctions. I agree that most of us that have been around a while have a healthy streak of cynicism that tends to protect us from some of these scams, but when something like this happens (and especially if the media gets wind of it), it can directly affect their income! I don't know about you, but I could get very cranky if that happened to me.
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cmbtboots
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posted on January 27, 2001 10:30:25 PM new
Not empty anymore??
Interesting, so you were actually auctioning off an empty box. In my book that probably would make you scum and a thief
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MichelleG
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posted on January 27, 2001 10:47:31 PM new
Ahem!
Everyone, please remember to address the issue, not the User. Whether you agree with other Users' opinions, actions etc or not, each participant in this discussion is entitled to be treated with the same respect and consideration.
Thank you for your cooperation.
MichelleG
Moderator
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nycrocker
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posted on January 27, 2001 11:46:54 PM new
OOPS sorry
Edited because I replied to the first page, not realizing it was a 7 page thread.
I'll just be over here if anyone needs me
Rocker
[ edited by nycrocker on Jan 27, 2001 11:52 PM ]
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mivona
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posted on January 28, 2001 01:20:28 AM new
Mattmon,
Thank you for coming to the thread. If you were indeed selling a Playstation console in a box, I am sorry that you have had email castigating you for scamming.
I am sorry that I didn't point out to you in my email that you may wish to amend your auction listing if you were selling a console, because of the scamming auctions that had been occurring. Or that if you were selling just a box that you may wish to be more explicit about that too. I have emailed such suggestions to other sellers, and it was remiss of me.
As suggested, if you are selling a PS2 system, it will be to your benefit to be explicit about it, because of the scamming scumbags who are selling boxes.
I would like to suggest to everyone else that it is best to ask questions first and assume nothing - just the behaviour we suggest that bidders adopt. Remember, it cuts both ways - we may have a seller that needs help, rather than a bidder.
Once you know it is a box auction, then have at it!
Edited to add:
Mattmon's auction appears to have been pulled by Ebay, as it no longer appears in current or completed auctions. So, if they were for Playstation systems, why did Ebay end them? Because they were ambiguous.
[ edited by mivona on Jan 28, 2001 01:51 AM ]
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dogdays
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posted on January 28, 2001 01:45:27 AM new
I also located an auction for what appears to be a PS2 box (only.)The description is written "Brand New PS2 Factory Box." All well and good until you see the starting price at $10.00 with the "reserve has not been met" beside it. Because there is a reserve price, I'm now thinking it is the actual PS2 system in a box. Or would this just be a new strategy for selling an empty box at a high price? I, for one, will carefully read descriptions now, as well as asking the seller to clarify any questions before I ever place a bid again. Lesson learned without making a costly error. Thanks to all who have pointed out the subterfuge in auction descriptions.
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barrelracer
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:00:26 AM new
In this title given by the seller who posted his auction #
<Playstation 2 New , Sealed box w/receipt>
it appears to me the word in would clarify everything.
Playstation 2 New in Sealed box w/receipt
If I was a seller selling playstations at this time I certainly would want bidders to know it was not an empty box.
In the current hysteria, the title could still be for an empty box.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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cdnbooks
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:14:56 AM new
...perhaps eBay should have a separate category for empty boxes....
Bill
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mattmon
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:15:38 AM new
Mivona, I ended the auction because someone by the alias of 'matmonthief' (who by the way will be contacted about paying for the auction that they bid on) bid $2000, since I made it a private auction, I couldn't figure out how to cancel bids.
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dennis1001
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posted on January 28, 2001 08:52:43 AM new
The auction for the "Brand New PS2 Factory Box" is very ambiguous, but the seller has a respectable feedback rating. I think you have to be a little more cautious when you have an eBayer with a history (as opposed to one of these (0) feedback people with the sunglasses beside their name). It could just be someone without a lot of experience setting up auctions that could use a *lot* of help wording his/her auctions. This whole topic seems in danger of turning from righteous indignation into an out and out witch hunt where the innocent are punished and the guilty are clever enough to hide out until it's all over.
I support helping out newbies but let's be careful out there, folks! And sellers, please, please for your sakes as well as ours make sure everyone is clear on what you are selling.
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barrelracer
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:00:29 AM new
<<This whole topic seems in danger of turning from righteous indignation into an out and out witch hunt where the innocent are punished and the guilty are clever enough to hide out until it's all over. >>
Well said Dennis.
I still feel that, when dealing with a questionable auction that still has days to run, not to child abusers and murderers,
ebay safe harbor should be contacted first, following the rules.
This thread has become muddled with topics not revolving around an empty box, and should concentrate more on the proper procedures to follow when there is still ample time to do that.
~Not barrelracer on ebay, don't pick on them!~
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nanastuff
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posted on January 28, 2001 09:06:34 AM new
THANK YOU, barrelracer
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